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DAS
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Well I think watching BBC Children In Need, you would have a hard job finding patronising films. They do what you reckon they should do - Julie Walters for instance travelling to a shelter in London or Africa built by the appeal. Or they feature people themselves talking about their own experiences. Back in 1992, Telethon and Children In Need as well came in for criticism for being patronisng - CIN did react, and these fundraisers have become far less patronising but more proactive.
I can't see producers thinking, "Right, how can we make this guy look pahtetic?" If you want them to play Electric Six over a film of some homeless person, they'd be criticised for that.
It seems programme makers can't do a thing without being cricitised whichever way they turn.
I can't see producers thinking, "Right, how can we make this guy look pahtetic?" If you want them to play Electric Six over a film of some homeless person, they'd be criticised for that.
It seems programme makers can't do a thing without being cricitised whichever way they turn.
KA
Hope you find the following useful; was a letter written by Reg McLaughlin, chief executive of GLAD, Greater London Action on Disability;
Dear Sir
As Chief Executive of a pan London organisation, GLAD, I am writing to complain about Channel 4's series of extremely offensive programmes relating to disabled people.
The first was Blind Man's Buff last year which drew a load of complaints from disabled people. The second programme shown by Channel 4 this week and completely abhorrent was Crocks and Robbers showing some unscrupulous disabled people using their impairments as an advantage for criminal acts. We would ask the question. Would they run a programme on how Black people commit crimes because they are Black? There appears to be a total lack of understanding by these programme heads at Channel 4 and even worse, choosing to target the most discriminated people in society.
The third this week, was Wheelchair Challenge and despite complaints to Martin Head, Series Editor, and despite disabled people they called in as advisors saying they should not go ahead with this programme, they decided it was a good programme and went ahead. The programme was supposedly to highlight the problems some wheelchair users have. They used three non wheelchair using C list "celebrities" to do this who pretended to be disabled people. It was a complete nonsense. Why didn't they simply follow a disabled person as they went about their daily life - this would have been authentic and had the same impact as these "celebrities" who have turned disability discrimination into entertainment. They trivialised disabled people's lives. For example, the Irish celebrity on entering a newspaper shop said "I can't reach the porn". Disabled people are more interested in how they can reach the essential food item in a supermarket! They were also accompanied by a TV crew who were on hand to extract them from any barriers they were unable to overcome. Unfortunately disabled people do not have this luxury.
The celebrities also allowed themselves to be carried up and down steps and even carried into a non accessible toilet - extremely poor examples to portray. The majority of disabled people would never allow this. It is dangerous and demeaning.
These programmes will not enlighten the pubic nor change attitudes but are instead being done at disabled people's expense. They are cheap, offensive and patronising programmes with absolutely no value other than to sensationalise disability in a very negative way. It is unacceptable and seen as offensive for people to "black up" so they can see what is is like to be a black person, so why is it acceptable for non disabled people to pretend to be disabled?
Wheelchair users have been around for a long time - is this programme really going to make a difference to attitudes as these celebrities were hinting. Surely in 2002 (and given that 2003 is the European Year of Disabled People) these programmes show an extraordinary lack of judgement. What disabled people need are comprehensive and enforceable rights and removing barriers to their inclusion in society.
Yours sincerely
Katherine
Founding member
DAS posted:
It seems programme makers can't do a thing without being cricitised whichever way they turn.
Hope you find the following useful; was a letter written by Reg McLaughlin, chief executive of GLAD, Greater London Action on Disability;
Quote:
Dear Sir
As Chief Executive of a pan London organisation, GLAD, I am writing to complain about Channel 4's series of extremely offensive programmes relating to disabled people.
The first was Blind Man's Buff last year which drew a load of complaints from disabled people. The second programme shown by Channel 4 this week and completely abhorrent was Crocks and Robbers showing some unscrupulous disabled people using their impairments as an advantage for criminal acts. We would ask the question. Would they run a programme on how Black people commit crimes because they are Black? There appears to be a total lack of understanding by these programme heads at Channel 4 and even worse, choosing to target the most discriminated people in society.
The third this week, was Wheelchair Challenge and despite complaints to Martin Head, Series Editor, and despite disabled people they called in as advisors saying they should not go ahead with this programme, they decided it was a good programme and went ahead. The programme was supposedly to highlight the problems some wheelchair users have. They used three non wheelchair using C list "celebrities" to do this who pretended to be disabled people. It was a complete nonsense. Why didn't they simply follow a disabled person as they went about their daily life - this would have been authentic and had the same impact as these "celebrities" who have turned disability discrimination into entertainment. They trivialised disabled people's lives. For example, the Irish celebrity on entering a newspaper shop said "I can't reach the porn". Disabled people are more interested in how they can reach the essential food item in a supermarket! They were also accompanied by a TV crew who were on hand to extract them from any barriers they were unable to overcome. Unfortunately disabled people do not have this luxury.
The celebrities also allowed themselves to be carried up and down steps and even carried into a non accessible toilet - extremely poor examples to portray. The majority of disabled people would never allow this. It is dangerous and demeaning.
These programmes will not enlighten the pubic nor change attitudes but are instead being done at disabled people's expense. They are cheap, offensive and patronising programmes with absolutely no value other than to sensationalise disability in a very negative way. It is unacceptable and seen as offensive for people to "black up" so they can see what is is like to be a black person, so why is it acceptable for non disabled people to pretend to be disabled?
Wheelchair users have been around for a long time - is this programme really going to make a difference to attitudes as these celebrities were hinting. Surely in 2002 (and given that 2003 is the European Year of Disabled People) these programmes show an extraordinary lack of judgement. What disabled people need are comprehensive and enforceable rights and removing barriers to their inclusion in society.
Yours sincerely
RU
russnet
Founding member
Who remembers Sky One doing a telethon in the early 90's. Possibly in 1993. I think it was televised in the month of February raising money for the Variety Club. The event lasted an evening. I'm not sure what time they finished, possibly midnight and they managed to get up to a Million Pounds for the night. Whooo!
Which probably looks good considering the uptake on Sky back in the early 90's.
DA
DAS
Founding member
Katherine, I did not once mention Wheelchair Challenge, Blind Man's Buff or Crocks and Robbers, did I?
I am speaking about telethons and their content in response to Chris B. I simply questioned his opinion on the short films that feature in Telethons. Programmes that troubled Reg McLaughlin of the Greater London Action on Disability group are rather quite another topic.
I put it to you that if the former ITV Telethon or CIN did not exist, Reg McLaughlin would complain that not enough awareness was being raised on television.
I am speaking about telethons and their content in response to Chris B. I simply questioned his opinion on the short films that feature in Telethons. Programmes that troubled Reg McLaughlin of the Greater London Action on Disability group are rather quite another topic.
I put it to you that if the former ITV Telethon or CIN did not exist, Reg McLaughlin would complain that not enough awareness was being raised on television.
KA
Yes, but I thought it might provide a few general pointers regarding what would actually be more beneficial methods of highlighting the portrayal of disability on television. If you would like, I'll try to get a more relevant quote.
Katherine
Founding member
DAS posted:
Katherine, I did not once mention Wheelchair Challenge, Blind Man's Buff or Crocks and Robbers, did I?
Yes, but I thought it might provide a few general pointers regarding what would actually be more beneficial methods of highlighting the portrayal of disability on television. If you would like, I'll try to get a more relevant quote.
JC
Indeed - even in the opening Central Telethon clip that's been uploaded, you can clearly see a NatWest bank logo on the holding graphic beforehand.
Anyway, here are some images from Telethon '90 which might bring back a few memories:
Compare and contrast: Central
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/central.jpg
Yorkshire
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/yorkshire.jpg
TSW
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/tsw.jpg
Tyne Tees
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/tynetees.jpg
Granada
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/granada.jpg
Thames/LWT
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/thameslwt.jpg
Channel
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/channel.jpg
... while Chris de Burgh performs the 'official' Telethon song
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/chrisdeburgh.jpg
Bernie Clifton gives Paul Young a fright
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/bernieclifton.jpg
Roll it, please!
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/scoreboard.jpg
Twenty-seven hours on air took its toll on Aspel somewhat...
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/tiredaspel.jpg
Some large slices of corporate cash
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/corporate.jpg
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/moneysafe.jpg
... and the grand finale; how many celebs can you spot?
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/finale1.jpg
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/finale2.jpg
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/finale3.jpg
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/grandtotal.jpg
The End
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/theend.jpg
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By the 1992 Telethon, the whole operation was so commerical driven that it was more of a turn off for me. Everything was sponsored, this was in the new age of programmes being sponsored before and after the programme.
Indeed - even in the opening Central Telethon clip that's been uploaded, you can clearly see a NatWest bank logo on the holding graphic beforehand.
Anyway, here are some images from Telethon '90 which might bring back a few memories:
Compare and contrast: Central
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/central.jpg
Yorkshire
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/yorkshire.jpg
TSW
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/tsw.jpg
Tyne Tees
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/tynetees.jpg
Granada
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/granada.jpg
Thames/LWT
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/thameslwt.jpg
Channel
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/channel.jpg
... while Chris de Burgh performs the 'official' Telethon song
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/chrisdeburgh.jpg
Bernie Clifton gives Paul Young a fright
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/bernieclifton.jpg
Roll it, please!
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/scoreboard.jpg
Twenty-seven hours on air took its toll on Aspel somewhat...
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/tiredaspel.jpg
Some large slices of corporate cash
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/corporate.jpg
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/moneysafe.jpg
... and the grand finale; how many celebs can you spot?
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/finale1.jpg
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/finale2.jpg
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/finale3.jpg
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/grandtotal.jpg
The End
http://www.rp-networkservices.com/tvforum/uploads/theend.jpg
KA
Katherine
Founding member
Had another go:
Excerpt from http://europa.autonomia.org/helios/ra121_en.htm
Excerpt from http://europa.autonomia.org/helios/ra121_en.htm
Quote:
Images, the way forward
These are recommendations to better the portrayal of people with disabilities:
* Shun one-dimensional characterizations and portray disabled people as having complex personalities capable of a full range of emotions.
* Avoid depicting them as always receiving; show them as equals giving as well as receiving.
* Avoid presenting physical and mental characteristics as determining personality.
* Refrain from depicting them as objects of curiosity. Make them ordinary.
* Their impairments should not be ridiculed or made the butt of jokes.
* Avoid sensationalizing them especially as victims or perpetrators of violence.
* Avoid showing disabled people as non-sexual. Show them in loving relationships and expressing the same range of sexual needs and desires as non-disabled people.
* Show them as an ordinary part of life in all forms of representation, factual and fictional.
* Show people living their own independent life, in 'normal' relationships.
* Efforts must be made to adequately define psychical disturbances and/or disabilities and thus create a 'place' and change in the self-image.
* Pay attention to those kind of disabilities that are not externally recognizable - Dyspraxia, Asperger's syndrome etc....
* Most importantly cast them, train and write them into scripts, programmes and publications.
* Help people to (re)create a positive self-image.
These are recommendations to better the portrayal of people with disabilities:
* Shun one-dimensional characterizations and portray disabled people as having complex personalities capable of a full range of emotions.
* Avoid depicting them as always receiving; show them as equals giving as well as receiving.
* Avoid presenting physical and mental characteristics as determining personality.
* Refrain from depicting them as objects of curiosity. Make them ordinary.
* Their impairments should not be ridiculed or made the butt of jokes.
* Avoid sensationalizing them especially as victims or perpetrators of violence.
* Avoid showing disabled people as non-sexual. Show them in loving relationships and expressing the same range of sexual needs and desires as non-disabled people.
* Show them as an ordinary part of life in all forms of representation, factual and fictional.
* Show people living their own independent life, in 'normal' relationships.
* Efforts must be made to adequately define psychical disturbances and/or disabilities and thus create a 'place' and change in the self-image.
* Pay attention to those kind of disabilities that are not externally recognizable - Dyspraxia, Asperger's syndrome etc....
* Most importantly cast them, train and write them into scripts, programmes and publications.
* Help people to (re)create a positive self-image.
KA
Well, properly I don't think they address any of them. Disabled people are still being taken out of a box once a year for this purpose and then put back in the box and shoved in the cupboard over the stairs for the rest of the year. Only a few are let out for token representation in the interim.
Statistically, one in eight people have a disability of some type. This proportion is not being reflected on television on any show. A start would be to perhaps have a deaf couple signing to each other as extras in the Queen Vic or Rovers Return.
Katherine
Founding member
DAS posted:
Yeah Katherine, but now tell me which of those criterion telethons neglect to address.
Well, properly I don't think they address any of them. Disabled people are still being taken out of a box once a year for this purpose and then put back in the box and shoved in the cupboard over the stairs for the rest of the year. Only a few are let out for token representation in the interim.
Statistically, one in eight people have a disability of some type. This proportion is not being reflected on television on any show. A start would be to perhaps have a deaf couple signing to each other as extras in the Queen Vic or Rovers Return.
DA
Well, properly I don't think they address any of them. Disabled people are still being taken out of a box once a year for this purpose and then put back in the box and shoved in the cupboard over the stairs for the rest of the year. Only a few are let out for token representation in the interim.
Statistically, one in eight people have a disability of some type. This proportion is not being reflected on television on any show. A start would be to perhaps have a deaf couple signing to each other as extras in the Queen Vic or Rovers Return.
I don't disagree.
But the point I raised was as follows... if the Telethon or CIN never existed, programme makers would be bombarded by letters from people like Reg McLaughlin saying they are doing nothing to raise money for the causes.
The representation of disabled people in the Queen Vic is a different matter from the purpose of telethons.
DAS
Founding member
Katherine posted:
DAS posted:
Yeah Katherine, but now tell me which of those criterion telethons neglect to address.
Well, properly I don't think they address any of them. Disabled people are still being taken out of a box once a year for this purpose and then put back in the box and shoved in the cupboard over the stairs for the rest of the year. Only a few are let out for token representation in the interim.
Statistically, one in eight people have a disability of some type. This proportion is not being reflected on television on any show. A start would be to perhaps have a deaf couple signing to each other as extras in the Queen Vic or Rovers Return.
I don't disagree.
But the point I raised was as follows... if the Telethon or CIN never existed, programme makers would be bombarded by letters from people like Reg McLaughlin saying they are doing nothing to raise money for the causes.
The representation of disabled people in the Queen Vic is a different matter from the purpose of telethons.