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JamesM0984
Central (East) East Midlands Today
When Birt left the structures he had put in place and the army of accountants and admin folks that were looking after them remained.
I remember logging 10p ISDN calls with a 15 digit code with a mix of numbers and letters. Crazy when you were busy trying just to get a job done.


Just bonkers when you look back. Especially as a few years later if the Chris Moyles team were doing an event somewhere, they would simply do the following morning's show from the nearest BBC studio.

Same thing has happened more recently at Radio X - the show's come from one of the regional Heart/Capital/Smooth sites, although in Birmingham they too used a makeshift flight case studio in the boardroom because there wasn't a spare studio (all 3 being taken up with the 3 West Midlands brands.)
Markymark6,602 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today

It might have been Studio 10, up on the tenth floor. It was used by LWT a lot. In 2003 it was converted back into office space.

Studio 10 wasn't built till the late 80s, a long time before Elton John and Kiki Dee.


I read elsewhere from a reliable source that it was shot in studio 1, oddly


Yes, TLS studio1. I saw this clip on youtube tube a long time ago and popped into St1 to confirm. As I subsequently understand it, Elton was in a studio next door doing some show or other when someone decided he and Kiki had to do a video for their single. Given the lack of time they just went into a bare studio 1 and simply did it. The studio walling you see in the video is along the short studio wall opposite the scene dock doors. Just a few people sat in the audience seating I am told.


What would the hand held camera have been back then, Marconi or IVC possibly ? It looks pretty ropey
in the video. The main studio cameras were EMI 2001s I think ?
noggin14,271 posts since 26 Jun 2001
Studio 10 wasn't built till the late 80s, a long time before Elton John and Kiki Dee.


I read elsewhere from a reliable source that it was shot in studio 1, oddly


Yes, TLS studio1. I saw this clip on youtube tube a long time ago and popped into St1 to confirm. As I subsequently understand it, Elton was in a studio next door doing some show or other when someone decided he and Kiki had to do a video for their single. Given the lack of time they just went into a bare studio 1 and simply did it. The studio walling you see in the video is along the short studio wall opposite the scene dock doors. Just a few people sat in the audience seating I am told.


What would the hand held camera have been back then, Marconi or IVC possibly ? It looks pretty ropey
in the video. The main studio cameras were EMI 2001s I think ?


LWT had IVC handhelds didn't they? (IVC made better VTRs than cameras I believe...)

BBC OBs were probably running Fernseh KCR40s in that era I think, though may still have had the Philips PCP-90 'Minicams' that were their first colour handheld (and the only PAL PCP-90s made I believe, though there were rumblings of another PAL broadcaster buying one).
Markymark6,602 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today

Yes, TLS studio1. I saw this clip on youtube tube a long time ago and popped into St1 to confirm. As I subsequently understand it, Elton was in a studio next door doing some show or other when someone decided he and Kiki had to do a video for their single. Given the lack of time they just went into a bare studio 1 and simply did it. The studio walling you see in the video is along the short studio wall opposite the scene dock doors. Just a few people sat in the audience seating I am told.


What would the hand held camera have been back then, Marconi or IVC possibly ? It looks pretty ropey
in the video. The main studio cameras were EMI 2001s I think ?


LWT had IVC handhelds didn't they? (IVC made better VTRs than cameras I believe...)



Ha, I worked at IVC's UK office just after Carlton had bought the company, and renamed it IVCC, they
were by then building DVEs, a bit later the name changed to Abekas, and the rest is history.

Anyway, this was 1984. They were still servicing the IVC cameras for some ITV companies (I can't recall which ones). One of my jobs as a student 'intern', was to produce Quad alignment tapes which involved changing the test signal on a Tek 1411 every three mins, which an IVC Quad VTR recorded. (I wasn't allowed to fiddle with too much on the VTR !) Happy days

IVC 7000 Camera
https://www.tvcameramuseum.org/ivc/ivc7000p/picture/ivc7000p.pdf

(Picture bottom right page 7 is a shot from Thames shooting an outdoor scene from George and Mildred
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noggin14,271 posts since 26 Jun 2001

What would the hand held camera have been back then, Marconi or IVC possibly ? It looks pretty ropey
in the video. The main studio cameras were EMI 2001s I think ?


LWT had IVC handhelds didn't they? (IVC made better VTRs than cameras I believe...)



Ha, I worked at IVC's UK office just after Carlton had bought the company, and renamed it IVCC, they
were by then building DVEs, a bit later the name changed to Abekas, and the rest is history.

Anyway, this was 1984. They were still servicing the IVC cameras for some ITV companies (I can't recall which ones). One of my jobs as a student 'intern', was to produce Quad alignment tapes which involved changing the test signal on a Tek 1411 every three mins, which an IVC Quad VTR recorded. (I wasn't allowed to fiddle with too much on the VTR !) Happy days

IVC 7000 Camera
https://www.tvcameramuseum.org/ivc/ivc7000p/picture/ivc7000p.pdf

(Picture bottom right page 7 is a shot from Thames shooting an outdoor scene from George and Mildred


I didn't know IVC made Quad VTRs. The 2" VTR I knew about was helical.
Markymark6,602 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today

LWT had IVC handhelds didn't they? (IVC made better VTRs than cameras I believe...)



Ha, I worked at IVC's UK office just after Carlton had bought the company, and renamed it IVCC, they
were by then building DVEs, a bit later the name changed to Abekas, and the rest is history.

Anyway, this was 1984. They were still servicing the IVC cameras for some ITV companies (I can't recall which ones). One of my jobs as a student 'intern', was to produce Quad alignment tapes which involved changing the test signal on a Tek 1411 every three mins, which an IVC Quad VTR recorded. (I wasn't allowed to fiddle with too much on the VTR !) Happy days

IVC 7000 Camera
https://www.tvcameramuseum.org/ivc/ivc7000p/picture/ivc7000p.pdf

(Picture bottom right page 7 is a shot from Thames shooting an outdoor scene from George and Mildred


I didn't know IVC made Quad VTRs. The 2" VTR I knew about was helical.


You're right, it was helical 2 inch, not Quad 2 inch, (see, I did say I wasn't allowed to play with it very much !)
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Steve Williams2,666 posts since 1 Aug 2008
Yes, TLS studio1. I saw this clip on youtube tube a long time ago and popped into St1 to confirm. As I subsequently understand it, Elton was in a studio next door doing some show or other when someone decided he and Kiki had to do a video for their single. Given the lack of time they just went into a bare studio 1 and simply did it. The studio walling you see in the video is along the short studio wall opposite the scene dock doors. Just a few people sat in the audience seating I am told.


Thanks for this. The video's clearly all filmed in a single take so it certainly seems like a pretty ad hoc production. It's been mentioned earlier in this thread that they would often mount small-scale productions in the corner of Studio 1 and 2 (much like how occasionally Points of View and The Sky at Night would come from the corner of TC1) so it presumably wouldn't have been that unusual to commandeer it when it wasn't being used. Presumably the smaller studios were busy with their regular programmes.

The part of the BBC that nominally produced Radcliffe's show were short of a studio, in the bonkers Birt Beeb it was cheaper to hire an OB set up and plonk it in TV Studio A than to hire a proper radio studio elsewhere (eg one of GMRs or BBC Leeds) for a few days.


I remember reading a discussion about this at the time. Worth pointing out that Mark and Lard's show was made by the entertainment department at BBC Manchester, which was a bi-media department, so it presumably had some kind of long-term hire on the TV studio. I also remember reading they couldn't use any of the other studios in Manchester as they were all in use for GMR and they weren't suitable for Mark and Lard anyway as they were used for speech-based programmes.
Markymark6,602 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today


Thanks for this. The video's clearly all filmed in a single take so it certainly seems like a pretty ad hoc production


It's interesting to watch the video and observe the dynamics between the two of them. Elton almost drags Kiki in, and she looks reluctant until about 30 seconds in when she relaxes, and goes with the flow. The hand jiving is clearing Elton in ad-lib mode leading Kiki.

One of the comments on one of the You Tube uploads says Mike Mansfield directed the shoot. Makes total sense, but it demonstrates how poor the production of this tribute show was. It failed to 'join the dots' between the footage of 'SuperSonic' and this video. Similarly Danny Baker mentioned seeing Micky Dolenz at the studios, well, no surprise, he was Metal Mickey's producer.

Poor stuff, it all deserved a properly researched and structured programme, something BBC 4 should do perhaps ?
Hatton Cross3,182 posts since 4 Jan 2003
Central (West) Midlands Today
Well exactly. It all had an air off 'well, I suppose we should do something'

As mentioned before, hosted by someone who never presented a programme from TLS, down the the mentions of 'moving to a 'shiny new headquarters..' and a curious seemingly random, but I suppose, clips and programmes from the studios chosen for the target audience.

At least they used 'River 2' for the break bumper stings..
My user name might look like Hatton Cross, but it's pronounced Throatwobbler Mangrove.
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bluecortina800 posts since 26 Jul 2012
Studio 10 wasn't built till the late 80s, a long time before Elton John and Kiki Dee.


I read elsewhere from a reliable source that it was shot in studio 1, oddly


Yes, TLS studio1. I saw this clip on youtube tube a long time ago and popped into St1 to confirm. As I subsequently understand it, Elton was in a studio next door doing some show or other when someone decided he and Kiki had to do a video for their single. Given the lack of time they just went into a bare studio 1 and simply did it. The studio walling you see in the video is along the short studio wall opposite the scene dock doors. Just a few people sat in the audience seating I am told.


What would the hand held camera have been back then, Marconi or IVC possibly ? It looks pretty ropey
in the video. The main studio cameras were EMI 2001s I think ?


I will try and find out some more for you. Given the single was released in 1976 I think we can safely assume the studio cameras were the EMI 2001's. OB's did have IVC 7000 portable and studio cameras. i think those concerned at the time would be disappointed that you refer to it as 'pretty ropey', despite it's somewhat adhoc appearance it would have been staged professionally.

Edited to add, my source does not have any more information I'm afraid although I believe it was directed by Mike Mansfield in one take.
Last edited by bluecortina on 3 January 2019 10:42am
noggin14,271 posts since 26 Jun 2001

Yes, TLS studio1. I saw this clip on youtube tube a long time ago and popped into St1 to confirm. As I subsequently understand it, Elton was in a studio next door doing some show or other when someone decided he and Kiki had to do a video for their single. Given the lack of time they just went into a bare studio 1 and simply did it. The studio walling you see in the video is along the short studio wall opposite the scene dock doors. Just a few people sat in the audience seating I am told.


What would the hand held camera have been back then, Marconi or IVC possibly ? It looks pretty ropey
in the video. The main studio cameras were EMI 2001s I think ?


I will try and find out some more for you. Given the single was released in 1976 I think we can safely assume the studio cameras were the EMI 2001's. OB's did have IVC 7000 portable and studio cameras. i think those concerned at the time would be disappointed that you refer to it as 'pretty ropey', despite it's somewhat adhoc appearance it would have been staged professionally.

Edited to add, my source does not have any more information I'm afraid although I believe it was directed by Mike Mansfield in one take.


Most of the pictures definitely have a 2001 look (Elton's got the classic flesh tone), though the low angle is trickier to tell because of all the flare and the blooming on the mic stand. (Could an EMI 2001 do that shot even on a different mounting to a normal ped?)
Markymark6,602 posts since 13 Dec 2004
Meridian (North) South Today

Yes, TLS studio1. I saw this clip on youtube tube a long time ago and popped into St1 to confirm. As I subsequently understand it, Elton was in a studio next door doing some show or other when someone decided he and Kiki had to do a video for their single. Given the lack of time they just went into a bare studio 1 and simply did it. The studio walling you see in the video is along the short studio wall opposite the scene dock doors. Just a few people sat in the audience seating I am told.


What would the hand held camera have been back then, Marconi or IVC possibly ? It looks pretty ropey
in the video. The main studio cameras were EMI 2001s I think ?


I will try and find out some more for you. Given the single was released in 1976 I think we can safely assume the studio cameras were the EMI 2001's. OB's did have IVC 7000 portable and studio cameras. i think those concerned at the time would be disappointed that you refer to it as 'pretty ropey', despite it's somewhat adhoc appearance it would have been staged professionally.

Edited to add, my source does not have any more information I'm afraid although I believe it was directed by Mike Mansfield in one take.


Oh, I'm sure everything was set up properly and professionally. Take a look at 1:27, the registration seems to be noticeably out bottom right of the picture (though as Noggin says the blooming and flaring doesn't 'help')

https://youtu.be/z0qW9P-uYfM?list=RDz0qW9P-uYfM&t=78