NG
I think the other downside currently is the Zeitgeist-chasing that inevitably happens when you have independents surviving contract to contract.
Ultimately it takes deep pockets to keep a production house staffed, if you don't already have a show in production. I think its safe to assume that if you've got one successful format on air, you'll be afforded the opportunity to pitch other ideas - and sometimes not far removed from your original, winning format.
That all sounds a bit vague, doesn't it, but I'm thinking Peter Bazlgette's string of variations throughout the 90s and noughties, Simon Cowell now - are there are other examples.
But, whaddyagonnado?
Its never going to go back to how it was, but the big audience packers - like the Cowell productions - seem to be what the current audience want.
An audience who, curiously, are both more and less sophisticated at the same time.
Yep - very true. I wonder how long the current tranche of mega-shows will last before the next shift...
It is odd that Grade's stated aim was for ITV to make as much as possible in-house via ITV Productions, when all his big bankers are indies at the moment... Does ITV Productions have a core of staff producers, APs and Researchers these days - or is it all freelance and short-term contract staff? (BBC Entertainment is pretty much the latter these days - though other BBC departments in Vision have a higher ratio of staff to freelance/short-term contracts)
noggin
Founding member
Gavin Scott posted:
Brekkie posted:
ITV though is definately suffering in this area due to the lack of regions - it's inevitable that less people thinking up ideas will mean less great ideas. When you think how LWT used to dominate the weekends, Central I think did a lot of the gameshows while Granada of course was a dominant player, ITV itself is making very little now indeed.
I think the other downside currently is the Zeitgeist-chasing that inevitably happens when you have independents surviving contract to contract.
Ultimately it takes deep pockets to keep a production house staffed, if you don't already have a show in production. I think its safe to assume that if you've got one successful format on air, you'll be afforded the opportunity to pitch other ideas - and sometimes not far removed from your original, winning format.
That all sounds a bit vague, doesn't it, but I'm thinking Peter Bazlgette's string of variations throughout the 90s and noughties, Simon Cowell now - are there are other examples.
But, whaddyagonnado?
Its never going to go back to how it was, but the big audience packers - like the Cowell productions - seem to be what the current audience want.
An audience who, curiously, are both more and less sophisticated at the same time.
Yep - very true. I wonder how long the current tranche of mega-shows will last before the next shift...
It is odd that Grade's stated aim was for ITV to make as much as possible in-house via ITV Productions, when all his big bankers are indies at the moment... Does ITV Productions have a core of staff producers, APs and Researchers these days - or is it all freelance and short-term contract staff? (BBC Entertainment is pretty much the latter these days - though other BBC departments in Vision have a higher ratio of staff to freelance/short-term contracts)
IS
Although Hells Kitchen is doing good business for them in the US, but not so much in the UK (where they can't use Gordon Ramsey of course).
Their global formats aren't really that much to look at: http://www.int.granadamedia.com/sf/asp/content/content.asp?parent_id=1§ion_id=15 although there's lots of them which I'd forgotten about or hadn't realised were theirs - Brainiac and Saturday Night Takeaway
It's kind of a shame for ITV that some of their most successful programmes are on other channels - Come Dine with Me being the latest example
623058 posted:
what about Dancing on ice? ITV come up with that one and has sold it everywhere, althourgh Im a celeb get me out of here has not down so well out side the uk,
Although Hells Kitchen is doing good business for them in the US, but not so much in the UK (where they can't use Gordon Ramsey of course).
Their global formats aren't really that much to look at: http://www.int.granadamedia.com/sf/asp/content/content.asp?parent_id=1§ion_id=15 although there's lots of them which I'd forgotten about or hadn't realised were theirs - Brainiac and Saturday Night Takeaway
It's kind of a shame for ITV that some of their most successful programmes are on other channels - Come Dine with Me being the latest example
MQ
I'm not a financial guru - but as far as the share price goes, the question really isn't "how are ITV doing today?". It's a question of "how will ITV be doing tomorrow?".
A deteriorating share price largely reflects the market's expectations about ITV's future performance - implying, of course, that things look fairly bleak. It's not simply a case of the company recording lower profits or losses now - it's a belief that those poor returns will persist moving forward. If that's the case, then obviously ITV need to make changes.
As others have noted, given the current economic conditions, there's very little chance that ITV will be able to boost revenue. So it has to look at ways to cut costs. Some might consider that unfortunate - in reality, it's thoroughly unremarkable.
A deteriorating share price largely reflects the market's expectations about ITV's future performance - implying, of course, that things look fairly bleak. It's not simply a case of the company recording lower profits or losses now - it's a belief that those poor returns will persist moving forward. If that's the case, then obviously ITV need to make changes.
As others have noted, given the current economic conditions, there's very little chance that ITV will be able to boost revenue. So it has to look at ways to cut costs. Some might consider that unfortunate - in reality, it's thoroughly unremarkable.
AM
Most of which seem to be owned by FremantleMedia, through themselves and taking over Grundy and Talbot productions, that hold alot of successful formats. Hence why the last series of Gameshow Marathon was a co-production between ITV Productions and TalkbackThames.
The Krypton Factor is the only ITV gameshow format I can think of is owned by ITV Productions.
wreren''t most of Granada's gameshows from their own ideas?
Krypton Factor
Cleudo
Busman's Holiday
Runway
etc.......
plus now doesn't ITV plc (through Carlton) also own the backlog of formats created by Action Time?
Also, am I right in thinking that during the late 70's, 80's and 90's through Granada and Action Time many of the original formats were actually created by Stephen Leahy?
nwtv2003 posted:
noggin posted:
Though it is worth remembering that a lot of the gameshows from ITV of yesteryear were themselves formats bought from 3rd parties.
Most of which seem to be owned by FremantleMedia, through themselves and taking over Grundy and Talbot productions, that hold alot of successful formats. Hence why the last series of Gameshow Marathon was a co-production between ITV Productions and TalkbackThames.
The Krypton Factor is the only ITV gameshow format I can think of is owned by ITV Productions.
wreren''t most of Granada's gameshows from their own ideas?
Krypton Factor
Cleudo
Busman's Holiday
Runway
etc.......
plus now doesn't ITV plc (through Carlton) also own the backlog of formats created by Action Time?
Also, am I right in thinking that during the late 70's, 80's and 90's through Granada and Action Time many of the original formats were actually created by Stephen Leahy?
BR
Although Hells Kitchen is doing good business for them in the US, but not so much in the UK (where they can't use Gordon Ramsey of course).
Hell's Kitchen is a classic example of where ITV have gone wrong - basically celebrities and pointless public votes. A show where wannabe chefs are judged on the quality of their food has some mileage in it, and I think at the time Hells Kitchen launched they'd have got in before Masterchef made it's come back, so it would have been a fairly unique programme.
However, a show where celebrities do something and then the winners and losers are determined by the public vote - well, there's plenty of them around - and in using that format ITV just basically made it a very weak version of I'm a Celeb, with a bit of cooking thrown in.
Inspector Sands posted:
623058 posted:
what about Dancing on ice? ITV come up with that one and has sold it everywhere, althourgh Im a celeb get me out of here has not down so well out side the uk,
Although Hells Kitchen is doing good business for them in the US, but not so much in the UK (where they can't use Gordon Ramsey of course).
Hell's Kitchen is a classic example of where ITV have gone wrong - basically celebrities and pointless public votes. A show where wannabe chefs are judged on the quality of their food has some mileage in it, and I think at the time Hells Kitchen launched they'd have got in before Masterchef made it's come back, so it would have been a fairly unique programme.
However, a show where celebrities do something and then the winners and losers are determined by the public vote - well, there's plenty of them around - and in using that format ITV just basically made it a very weak version of I'm a Celeb, with a bit of cooking thrown in.
IS
Hell's Kitchen is a classic example of where ITV have gone wrong - basically celebrities and pointless public votes.
Surely what went wrong was that the star of the programme defected to another channel which meant that it got reformatted and given different presenters for the next series and again for the 3rd one?
Brekkie posted:
Hell's Kitchen is a classic example of where ITV have gone wrong - basically celebrities and pointless public votes.
Surely what went wrong was that the star of the programme defected to another channel which meant that it got reformatted and given different presenters for the next series and again for the 3rd one?
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A former member
Britain's Got Talent? how can simon have this format? I believe this was orignaly going to be called Paul's got talent with paul o Grady but he had a fight and jumped ship.
MH
Oh that's easy. British gas have just increased my DD from £65 a month to £ 204.00 mnth for 6 months which will then be negotiable.
Hear me now that will be negotiated and reduced by midday monday.
Brekkie posted:
It's the oil companies I feel sorry for, only making a few billion pound profit every six months. How will they cope?
Oh that's easy. British gas have just increased my DD from £65 a month to £ 204.00 mnth for 6 months which will then be negotiable.
Hear me now that will be negotiated and reduced by midday monday.
FA
It's Simon Cowell's format and production. Paul O'Grady was originally lined up to do the programme, but he apparently fell out with Cowell, and after moving to Channel 4 he allegedly stated that he didn't want to work for ITV again, even though his Channel 4 contract was/is daytime only.
623058 posted:
Britain's Got Talent? how can simon have this format? I believe this was orignaly going to be called Paul's got talent with paul o Grady but he had a fight and jumped ship.
It's Simon Cowell's format and production. Paul O'Grady was originally lined up to do the programme, but he apparently fell out with Cowell, and after moving to Channel 4 he allegedly stated that he didn't want to work for ITV again, even though his Channel 4 contract was/is daytime only.
BR
Simon (well, one of his staff probably) "created" it though.
Interesting looking at the prizes tonight on Ant and Dec and really noticeable how they're of lower value - £500 cash was one of the top five prizes tonight, while in previous years that would have been in the second tear of good, but not great, prizes - and would probably have been a grand too.
Actually - they said the ads were taken from Piers Morgan new show, but did that have any ads?
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623058 posted:
Britain's Got Talent? how can simon have this format? I believe this was orignaly going to be called Paul's got talent with paul o Grady but he had a fight and jumped ship.
Simon (well, one of his staff probably) "created" it though.
Interesting looking at the prizes tonight on Ant and Dec and really noticeable how they're of lower value - £500 cash was one of the top five prizes tonight, while in previous years that would have been in the second tear of good, but not great, prizes - and would probably have been a grand too.
Actually - they said the ads were taken from Piers Morgan new show, but did that have any ads?
Matt posted:
Why, when ITV are p***ing and moaning about not having any money and that the advertising isn't generating any revenue, do they go and show programmes in primetime without ANY commercials?
I've just been watching Piers Morgan's Life Stories, and there were breaks, but with only network promotion. I've seen this happen many times before - but why, when they're trying to make so many cutbacks, are they deliberatly not using lucrative advertising space?
I've just been watching Piers Morgan's Life Stories, and there were breaks, but with only network promotion. I've seen this happen many times before - but why, when they're trying to make so many cutbacks, are they deliberatly not using lucrative advertising space?
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