That would be the case if The X Factor was an ITV Production - but it isn't... I don't know how the split of telephone revenue between Syco and ITV is handled...
It might even be a 3-way split - Freemantle have an interest in it too
That would be the case if The X Factor was an ITV Production - but it isn't... I don't know how the split of telephone revenue between Syco and ITV is handled...
No idea for this, but IIRC for Big Brother in it's early days at least the revenue was split (equally) three ways between BT, C4 and Endemol, so I'd guess something similar would be in place for most shows.
No idea for this, but IIRC for Big Brother in it's early days at least the revenue was split (equally) three ways between BT, C4 and Endemol, so I'd guess something similar would be in place for most shows.
In the early days of Big Brother some revenue from the phone vote went to the Shelter charity
That would be the case if The X Factor was an ITV Production - but it isn't... I don't know how the split of telephone revenue between Syco and ITV is handled...
It might even be a 3-way split - Freemantle have an interest in it too
Yep - would be interesting to know how even a split it was... I wouldn't be surprised if ITV didn't get as much as people might think.
I find The X Factor quite depressing to be honest. Yes, as a TV show it is reasonably well made (though increasingly a self-parody). However the fact that is Execed by Simon Cowell, by a company he owns, and stars him, and the winning (and runner up often) artists then become represented by Cowell and record records on his label, does make me uncomfortable. His company makes money selecting them, creating them, gets free advertising for them, makes money from their record sales, and then drops them when they run out of steam.
I think it's a brilliant business model, and I applaud him for engineering it. I think off-camera he's also a pretty reasonable bloke (there are FAR worse in the industry in production and presentation) - but the way the show is made does worry me - particularly on a PSB channel.
ITV are never going to question it - as Cowell provides two of their main ratings bankers - but the position they are in with regard to these shows, with the power concentrated elsewhere and outside of ITV, is not a great position to be in. If they owned the formats and had devised them in-house they would be FAR better off. (Contrast this to the BBC making a lot of money from the Strictly format internationally...)
Yep there are some similar accusations you could throw at the BBC/Lloyd Webber talent shows - but they seem far less commercial (sure he's got a production to plug - but the Beeb don't make money out of the phone calls, all the artists taking part are properly contracted - not working for free, and Lloyd Webber doesn't make money directly from the shows production)
:-(
A former member
what about Dancing on ice? ITV come up with that one and has sold it everywhere, althourgh Im a celeb get me out of here has not down so well out side the uk,
what about Dancing on ice? ITV come up with that one and has sold it everywhere, althourgh Im a celeb get me out of here has not down so well out side the uk,
I'm a Celeb was sold to the US a few years back, and apparently it's going to be revived over there this Summer. The German version is still doing okay on RTL last I checked, they even used the same camp as ITV, and the credits did state it was a format created by ITV Productions.
Yeah - I'm not saying that ITV haven't created formats, just that a number of their main bankers are not ITV Productions, and two of them are Cowell productions - meaning he is becoming very powerful in multiple fields. (Britain's Got Talent, The X Factor)
Quite a few of the Ant'n'Dec formats are non-ITV Productions as well aren't they?
Dancing on Ice is doing OK overseas, and I'm A Celebrity is doing well as well. (Saw the German one was shot on the same location as the UK one)
Quite a few of the Ant'n'Dec formats are non-ITV Productions as well aren't they?
I think Takeaway is ITV Productions, but Poker Face is definatelly Gallowgate (their company), as was the pro-celebrity Golf they've done for Sky and ITV.
Although the BBC are benefiting well from formats, Strictly and Top Gear both doing well Internationally at the moment.
I think Come Dine with Me (which is an ITV production for C4) has done quite well overseas as well. ITV though is definately suffering in this area due to the lack of regions - it's inevitable that less people thinking up ideas will mean less great ideas. When you think how LWT used to dominate the weekends, Central I think did a lot of the gameshows while Granada of course was a dominant player, ITV itself is making very little now indeed. I think with drama the independents are probably more dominant than light entertainment.
I think Come Dine with Me (which is an ITV production for C4) has done quite well overseas as well. ITV though is definately suffering in this area due to the lack of regions - it's inevitable that less people thinking up ideas will mean less great ideas. When you think how LWT used to dominate the weekends, Central I think did a lot of the gameshows while Granada of course was a dominant player, ITV itself is making very little now indeed. I think with drama the independents are probably more dominant than light entertainment.
Though it is worth remembering that a lot of the gameshows from ITV of yesteryear were themselves formats bought from 3rd parties.
ITV though is definately suffering in this area due to the lack of regions - it's inevitable that less people thinking up ideas will mean less great ideas. When you think how LWT used to dominate the weekends, Central I think did a lot of the gameshows while Granada of course was a dominant player, ITV itself is making very little now indeed.
I think the other downside currently is the Zeitgeist-chasing that inevitably happens when you have independents surviving contract to contract.
Ultimately it takes deep pockets to keep a production house staffed, if you don't already have a show in production. I think its safe to assume that if you've got one successful format on air, you'll be afforded the opportunity to pitch other ideas - and sometimes not far removed from your original, winning format.
That all sounds a bit vague, doesn't it, but I'm thinking Peter Bazlgette's string of variations throughout the 90s and noughties, Simon Cowell now - are there are other examples.
But, whaddyagonnado?
Its never going to go back to how it was, but the big audience packers - like the Cowell productions - seem to be what the current audience want.
An audience who, curiously, are both more and less sophisticated at the same time.
Though it is worth remembering that a lot of the gameshows from ITV of yesteryear were themselves formats bought from 3rd parties.
Most of which seem to be owned by FremantleMedia, through themselves and taking over Grundy and Talbot productions, that hold alot of successful formats. Hence why the last series of Gameshow Marathon was a co-production between ITV Productions and TalkbackThames.
The Krypton Factor is the only ITV gameshow format I can think of is owned by ITV Productions.