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Jonwo (previously Jonwo87)
Christine did quite well out being poached by ITV as it lead to her getting the gigs on Dancing on Ice, This Morning, Lorraine and Loose Women.
SW
Steve Williams
Was pretty much a business model for a while - poach the biggest star from a fairly successful show, make a rip off of it and be surprised when it only lasts one series.


This isn't exclusive to ITV, of course, C4 poached Hilary Devey from Dragons Den and she absolutely flopped. A lot of the time it's because these stars' formats don't come with them. Trinny and Susannah are a perfect example, in that when they poached them, What Not To Wear stayed on the Beeb (and indeed continued with other people), so they had to invent a new format for them, which was inevitably massively contrived and didn't really work on screen. It also reminds me of when Nick Berry left Heartbeat and ITV gave him a golden handcuffs deal but all the other dramas he did weren't very successful, and the great William Phillips in Broadcast said "Maybe people only like him under a police helmet".

Also as well, around the time when they were doing things like Tycoon and Million Pound Giveaway (and Natural Born Sellers, that was another one), The Apprentice and Dragons' Den were popular, but they were on BBC2 (The Apprentice still was at the time, I think) and BBC2 to ITV is a big leap. If you replicate BBC2 programmes on ITV, especially if they're less good variations of BBC2 programmes, then you get BBC2-sized audiences, which isn't good enough for ITV.

Of course all channels jump on to any passing bandwagon, ITV did Better Homes in the nineties which was so clearly a rip-off of Changing Rooms (that did alright, actually, it was suitably brash and they gave it some great slots), while the other year the Beeb did Ronnie's Animal Crackers with Ronnie Corbett which was obviously attempting to replicate Paul O'Grady's shows on ITV. And all the shows they've done from the makers of Gogglebox that are a bit like Gogglebox but not quite.
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ethanh05 Wales Wales Today
Johnr posted:
Talking about 'rested' shows ITV are now on about knocking up a competitor to The Apprentice...because 'Tycoon' with Peter Jones was super successful back in 2007! Zipper

I've been rewatching TV Burp and reminded of an ITV Dragons' Den rip-off from the same year, Fortune: Million Pound Giveaway with Duncan Bannatyne on the panel, and Jeffrey Archer!

Ah yes, essentially 'Is your cause worthy enough?' as I recall.
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Inspector Sands
Of course Philips Schofield is a good example of a a star that ITV poached from the BBC and who did really badly. It took a while to find a decent format for him - remember Ten Ball? Talking Telephone Numbers was the most popular thing he did. Then he ended up on This Morning and his career took off again
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Brekkie Wales Wales Today
He wasn't really poached though was he - didn't he leave the BBC for theatre work and prior to This Morning he did things for the BBC too - certainly Winning Lines and I think that IQ show with Anne Robinson too.
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Square Eyes Founding member
Yes when he started on This Morning (2002) he also did Winning Lines and Test the Nation for the BBC.

He became ITV exclusive in 2006.
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Jonwo (previously Jonwo87)
Was pretty much a business model for a while - poach the biggest star from a fairly successful show, make a rip off of it and be surprised when it only lasts one series.


This isn't exclusive to ITV, of course, C4 poached Hilary Devey from Dragons Den and she absolutely flopped. A lot of the time it's because these stars' formats don't come with them. Trinny and Susannah are a perfect example, in that when they poached them, What Not To Wear stayed on the Beeb (and indeed continued with other people), so they had to invent a new format for them, which was inevitably massively contrived and didn't really work on screen. It also reminds me of when Nick Berry left Heartbeat and ITV gave him a golden handcuffs deal but all the other dramas he did weren't very successful, and the great William Phillips in Broadcast said "Maybe people only like him under a police helmet".

Also as well, around the time when they were doing things like Tycoon and Million Pound Giveaway (and Natural Born Sellers, that was another one), The Apprentice and Dragons' Den were popular, but they were on BBC2 (The Apprentice still was at the time, I think) and BBC2 to ITV is a big leap. If you replicate BBC2 programmes on ITV, especially if they're less good variations of BBC2 programmes, then you get BBC2-sized audiences, which isn't good enough for ITV.

Of course all channels jump on to any passing bandwagon, ITV did Better Homes in the nineties which was so clearly a rip-off of Changing Rooms (that did alright, actually, it was suitably brash and they gave it some great slots), while the other year the Beeb did Ronnie's Animal Crackers with Ronnie Corbett which was obviously attempting to replicate Paul O'Grady's shows on ITV. And all the shows they've done from the makers of Gogglebox that are a bit like Gogglebox but not quite.


Hilary Devey originally appeared on a Channel 5 programme called The Business Inspector before she did Dragons Den, I think the fact that only lasted a series should have been a big indicator why poaching her from Dragons Den was a bad idea

Ruth Watson who was the original Hotel Inspector was poached by Channel 4 but they did struggle to find her a suitable show and she bowed out of a few years later.

In some cases, moving channels can be a good move, George Clarke moved from Channel 5 to Channel 4 and has remained on the channel since, likewise with Jimmy Doherty and Jamie Oliver who went from the BBC to Channel 4.
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Brekkie Wales Wales Today
Yes, though in George Clarke's case he was pretty much presenting a rip-off of Grand Designs on C5, so it was easier to find a format for him at C4.

I think some shows and some stars just fit better on certain channels - hence why ITV (and Granada in particular) were quite happy to make shows for the BBC as they knew the show would likely thrive there but may just not be a great fit for ITV. I suspect even if The Premiership had been on ITV ad free and launched in the 10.30pm slot with Des Lynam it would still have flopped because in viewers minds it just wasn't quite right.
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SW
Steve Williams
He wasn't really poached though was he - didn't he leave the BBC for theatre work and prior to This Morning he did things for the BBC too - certainly Winning Lines and I think that IQ show with Anne Robinson too.


No, he did leave the Beeb for ITV, he signed an exclusive deal with them in 1993 after he left Going Live, and Marcus Plantin was quoted as saying they'd been trying to nab him for years. I wouldn't have said he did particularly badly, Talking Telephone Numbers lasted for four years and was a decent rater, and Schofield's TV Gold went on for a while as well, which I always enjoyed, because Pip got to do some comic stylings in it. Some of the other stuff didn't work out, like Schofield's Quest, but he did alright out of it.

By the end of the nineties he'd more or less jacked in telly to do acting full-time and when he did Winning Lines in 2001 it was his first telly series for a good few years. I used to like him on that, especially when it used to underrun and he'd go through the rest of the evening's BBC1 schedule, it was like him being back in the Broom Cupboard. As you say, for a while he worked across both channels with Winning Lines, Test The Nation and This Morning, which originally he only did a couple of days a week - he started appearing more frequently when John Leslie had to, cough, go away. As mentioned, in 2006 he signed an exclusive deal with ITV and had to stop doing Test The Nation.
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Steve Williams
Jonwo posted:
In some cases, moving channels can be a good move, George Clarke moved from Channel 5 to Channel 4 and has remained on the channel since, likewise with Jimmy Doherty and Jamie Oliver who went from the BBC to Channel 4.


It depends if there's an obvious reason to make the switch and you do something you couldn't do where you are. Rory Bremner is a good example, when he moved from the Beeb to C4, it was because he was getting a bit bored of doing the same things on the Beeb and wanted to do something more topical and satirical. Jamie Oliver is another one, he wanted to do more campaigning shows, which would have been hard to do on the Beeb for political reasons. And the obvious one is Graham Norton, who moved from C4 to the Beeb because he thought he'd done all he could on C4 and he wanted to try his hand at big mainstream shows, which he couldn't do at C4.

What doesn't work is when it just looks like you're moving for the money and end up doing an inferior version of the show you were doing on the other channel, like Trinny and Susannah.
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Inspector Sands
I thought Jamie Oliver left the BBC for commercial reasons..... he could do adverts and sponsorship on Channel 4 that he couldn't at the BBC.
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Inspector Sands

No, he did leave the Beeb for ITV, he signed an exclusive deal with them in 1993 after he left Going Live, and Marcus Plantin was quoted as saying they'd been trying to nab him for years. I wouldn't have said he did particularly badly, Talking Telephone Numbers lasted for four years and was a decent rater, and Schofield's TV Gold went on for a while as well, which I always enjoyed, because Pip got to do some comic stylings in it. Some of the other stuff didn't work out, like Schofield's Quest, but he did alright out of it.

He did OK, bubbled under. Apart from TTN I don't think anything he did really made an impact (and even 25 odd years later its only one episode anyone ever remembers!)

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