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ITV Night Time Franchise In the 1980s

What happened to it? (September 2016)

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Interceptor
An interesting idea, but would have saved us from Teleshopping and Casinos?

The end result would be the same. Whatever demand for overnight programming there was has been killed by On Demand programming in recent years.
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Colorband
Yeah, I have to agree. The end result'd probably be the same.
IS
Inspector Sands

Remember with ITV people have to deal with Ch4 until 2-3am the staff were already in place.

Well no, on those occasions those employed to be putting the ads out on 4 (probably a single person I'm each region) were doing that, I don't think adding the duties of running ITV as well would have been considered
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Gluben
I'd strongly suggest watching this video if you're interested in ITV Night Time:

https://vimeo.com/137230102
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Larry the Loafer
I'd strongly suggest watching this video if you're interested in ITV Night Time:

https://vimeo.com/137230102


I've said it once and I'll say it again. The ITV In The Face series is brilliant.
EL
elmarko
I gave Applemask real cashmoney. He's earned it.
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Gluben
I'd strongly suggest watching this video if you're interested in ITV Night Time:

https://vimeo.com/137230102


I've said it once and I'll say it again. The ITV In The Face series is brilliant.


It is indeed, as are Christmas Wrapping, The Hard Sell and Square Peg.

I gave Applemask real cashmoney. He's earned it.


Me too!
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TonyCurrie

Remember with ITV people have to deal with Ch4 until 2-3am the staff were already in place.

Well no, on those occasions those employed to be putting the ads out on 4 (probably a single person I'm each region) were doing that, I don't think adding the duties of running ITV as well would have been considered

Oh no, not a 'single person'. We're talking about a time when the Unions were still strong and playing out commercials required quite a team. At the very least, a telecine operator (at those stations still using film for some of the commercials), a VT operator (yes, some stations were using cart playout but these were so unreliable that they still required a full time operator to watch the tapes being chewed up and the compressed air line failing.......), a Transmission Controller and a CTA person. Channel 4 would have gone through its own control room, so adding ITV would require at the very least an additional Transmission Controller to be on duty in the ITV Control Room.
Inspector Sands, bilky asko and nwtv2003 gave kudos
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Mr Kite
I'd strongly suggest watching this video if you're interested in ITV Night Time:

https://vimeo.com/137230102


I've said it once and I'll say it again. The ITV In The Face series is brilliant.


Are they the original series or has it been rebooted? I watched this series a good few years back and enjoyed it but was a little disappointed when quite a few of the smaller stations were lumped into one video towards the end called "The Minnows". I could be mis-remembering but I'm sure even Anglia was lumped in that one video, whereas now it seems to have its own edition.
Last edited by Mr Kite on 2 September 2016 9:10pm
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Larry the Loafer
He made the original series on YouTube and later revamped it on Vimeo with additional material, and in some cases, completely new subjects such as Granada Sky Broadcasting.
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Mr Kite
Thanks for that. Will have to give it a watch then.
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bluecortina

Remember with ITV people have to deal with Ch4 until 2-3am the staff were already in place.

Well no, on those occasions those employed to be putting the ads out on 4 (probably a single person I'm each region) were doing that, I don't think adding the duties of running ITV as well would have been considered

Oh no, not a 'single person'. We're talking about a time when the Unions were still strong and playing out commercials required quite a team. At the very least, a telecine operator (at those stations still using film for some of the commercials), a VT operator (yes, some stations were using cart playout but these were so unreliable that they still required a full time operator to watch the tapes being chewed up and the compressed air line failing.......), a Transmission Controller and a CTA person. Channel 4 would have gone through its own control room, so adding ITV would require at the very least an additional Transmission Controller to be on duty in the ITV Control Room.



Channel 4 itself could have been operated by one man at an ITV station. C4's IDENT system gave out a number of cues to operate external equipment, including a standby cue, cue a fade in or out of a break to a mixer, and a 'run' command for any external equipment such as a VT. Given the era, the cart/cassette machines only had a capacity of 22 or 24 carts and so they had to be regularly changed over the course of an evening otherwise there would have been a very limited selection of commercials- that's what the one man would be doing and he would be programming the machine to play the right comms in the right order. But I don't know of any station that ran C4 in this way, but it was possible technically. In London, C4 could see 'their' complete presentation output off-air and so Thames and LWT felt the need to keep standards up, up country you could have gotten away with murder and they'd have known nothing about it.

Thinking about it, that one notional engineer on C4 commercial duties would also have had to liaise with the local Transmitter staff as it was necessary to agree a random selection of video and sound gradings on individual programmes - the random selection being made by the TX engineer, just as it was on ITV (at the time).
Last edited by bluecortina on 2 September 2016 10:12pm

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