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Markymark
Meridian AM posted:
Has Central West HD moved frequency on Sky today?
I had it manually tuned, as I am originally from the West Midlands, but now it has gone.
If it has moved, do you know the new frequency?



Well, Lyngsat (updated 27/9) says it's on 11.097 GHz Vert, and also (new) 12.168 V ?

https://www.lyngsat.com/Astra-2E-2F-2G.html
BC
Blake Connolly Founding member
noggin posted:
Orry Verducci posted:

Back on topic on the note of GMB, my experience of working in playout is that galleries providing programming (e.g. the local news) should know when they're going on air, and exactly how long they have. If they can't hit the right time the playout operator is happy to let the automation cut them off. I don't work at ITV Pres so I can't say if they're exactly the same, but where I work we do provide live programming to ITV Pres and I can tell you they don't cut us any slack.


Yes - ITV are very tight on hitting your fixed duration accurately - and that is a basic requirement for regional opt-out or switch-in type programming (both on ITV and the BBC).


Yeah, I do remember once talking to a PA who was really taken aback by me being so relaxed about their off-air time in the event of an over/underrun. Turned out she usually only worked on ITV programmes, so was used to having to come off exactly on time to the second, or in the worst case having to go under or over in precise 30 second intervals, a whole different world to the sports channel I work on where of course we don't have to worry about regions and live content trumps everything else.
BL
bluecortina
noggin posted:
Orry Verducci posted:

Back on topic on the note of GMB, my experience of working in playout is that galleries providing programming (e.g. the local news) should know when they're going on air, and exactly how long they have. If they can't hit the right time the playout operator is happy to let the automation cut them off. I don't work at ITV Pres so I can't say if they're exactly the same, but where I work we do provide live programming to ITV Pres and I can tell you they don't cut us any slack.


Yes - ITV are very tight on hitting your fixed duration accurately - and that is a basic requirement for regional opt-out or switch-in type programming (both on ITV and the BBC).

However GMB, and to a lesser degree Breakfast, have fluid opt-out times - so the risk of the GMB style 'central switch' functionality is that you fire the opt and regions that aren't ready are automatically cut-up, whereas the BBC system means the network sustaining feed continues to be broadcast if a region doesn't opt-out. (Rather than whatever is on the local studio output being cut to air for the period of the local opt)

Off topic below :

AIUI the BBC English regions are moving to a hybrid system - where the physical opt-switches move from being on-site at each region (and removing the requirement for a 24/7 network feed fed to them, and a 24/7 localised BBC One feed backhauled back to London and ANOther Place), with instead the switch happening off-site BUT under local control from each regional gallery. There is still the option of soft-opting (by having a network feed made available to the English regional centre either side of the junction - though this doesn't now have to be 24/7 resilient) with some clever delay calculations done to avoid big jumps during the soft-opt. This system will also, potentially, allow for BBC One HD in England to carry regional news - BUT if it happens before the regions have HD production equipment the soft-opt, like the old split analogue and DTT opt-outs, will need to be masked on HD in regions with SD gear I guess, to avoid the BBC One HD feed going SD after the soft-opt point)


I would just like to add, then when I was involved with ITV’s breakfast service, the regional news sites all had continuous GMTV gallery talkback and the panel controlling the regional opt outs in the GMTV control room would output the usual cue dot in advance of the actual opt out so the regions had plenty of warning a opt was due or imminent, it shouldn’t have come as a surprise even if the timing was somewhat variable.

‘Putting up the cue dot‘ was a purely manual operation and decision. Removing the cue dot would initiate the remote regional opt 5 seconds later. Of course it may be different nowadays.
LL
London Lite Founding member
Markymark posted:
Meridian AM posted:
Has Central West HD moved frequency on Sky today?
I had it manually tuned, as I am originally from the West Midlands, but now it has gone.
If it has moved, do you know the new frequency?



Well, Lyngsat (updated 27/9) says it's on 11.097 GHz Vert, and also (new) 12.168 V ?

https://www.lyngsat.com/Astra-2E-2F-2G.html


It appears they're duplicating for ITV London, Central West and Meridian East in HD in preparation for other HD sub-regions to join. I think they have to add Border Scotland, the Belmont version of Yorkshire, Anglia West, Meridian West and Meridian Thames Valley (opt of West).
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TheMike
Meridian AM posted:
Has Central West HD moved frequency on Sky today?
I had it manually tuned, as I am originally from the West Midlands, but now it has gone.
If it has moved, do you know the new frequency?

Hopefully it means we are getting closer to Meridian South HD and other sub-regions being added to the EPG.


Yes.

ITV Central West HD has moved to a Sky transponder on 12168V. It's still free-to-air, but whether it stays that way remains to be seen (2 STV HD encrypted regions also on this transponder).
LL
London Lite Founding member


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Markymark
TheMike posted:
Meridian AM posted:
Has Central West HD moved frequency on Sky today?
I had it manually tuned, as I am originally from the West Midlands, but now it has gone.
If it has moved, do you know the new frequency?

Hopefully it means we are getting closer to Meridian South HD and other sub-regions being added to the EPG.


Yes.

ITV Central West HD has moved to a Sky transponder on 12168V. It's still free-to-air, but whether it stays that way remains to be seen (2 STV HD encrypted regions also on this transponder).


That's ominous, we might be heading towards more ITV HD regions available on Sky, but not Freesat
JA
jay Founding member
I wondered what happened yesterday morning, probably about 10.15am or so, ITV London HD went to a blue screen on my Sky Q box and showed a technical error message. All other channels were still fine, but had to do a reboot to get it back. I presume it must have moved transponder?
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Meridian AM
jay posted:
I wondered what happened yesterday morning, probably about 10.15am or so, ITV London HD went to a blue screen on my Sky Q box and showed a technical error message. All other channels were still fine, but had to do a reboot to get it back. I presume it must have moved transponder?


Meridian HD did the same here just before 11am.
And there were people tweeting about it too.



















I do think the Sky Help workers who reply to tweets should be told what is happening, as they don't seem to know, judging by the off-the-mark replies they were giving these people.
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TheMike
The Digitalbitrate website shows what's happened to the transponder that did carry Central W, Meridian SE and London HD - three HD channels removed yesterday, two new ITV HD variants now testing.
https://digitalbitrate.com/dtv.php?mux=11097&liste=1&live=69&lang=en
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Meridian AM
TheMike posted:
The Digitalbitrate website shows what's happened to the transponder that did carry Central W, Meridian SE and London HD - three HD channels removed yesterday, two new ITV HD variants now testing.
https://digitalbitrate.com/dtv.php?mux=11097&liste=1&live=69&lang=en


3 regions testing are:

21010 - Meridian Thames HD
21015 - Meridian South HD
21070 - Anglia West HD
CO
commseng
Meridian Thames Valley I assume?

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