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All New Johnnyboy
The BBC has its own television and radio provisions for Jersey and Guernsey, two crown dependancies, total population 150,000.

Why is there no similar provision for The Isle Of Man, itself a crown dependancy, with a population larger than that of Guernsey's? At least a radio station, if not a dedicated news bulletin.

Does anyone know if there is some historic reason for this?

PS. Radios Devon, Cornwall, Jersey and Guernsey are now available on the BBC Media Player.
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nwtv2003
Does the Isle of Man have it's own Transmitter? As I remember hearing that half of the island watches Granada/BBC North West while the other half watches Border, so I take it they pick these up from the mainland?

Just of out interest how big population wise is the Isle of Man? Though back to my earlier point is that you very rarely see any stories from the IOM on Granada Reports or North West Tonight, the only time they mention is often is when the TT Races are happening.

I think you could see some form of special News bulletin happening somewhere, maybe by the BBC, but it depends on having a transmitter and the amount of News that can be delivered as there is a slight chance of struggling.

What I am going to say now is probably going to raise a whole conversation on it's own, but there isn't a BBC Radio Cheshire, Cheshire has a population of at least 400,000 and we don't have a Radio Cheshire from the BBC or our BBC site, we either get put with Stoke, Manchester or Merseyside sites, so if I can compare that to this I can't see a 'Radio of IOM' happening, though if Jersey and Guernsey can have one, why can't the IOM?
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All New Johnnyboy
nwtv2003 posted:
Just of out interest how big population wise is the Isle of Man? Though back to my earlier point is that you very rarely see any stories from the IOM on Granada Reports or North West Tonight, the only time they mention is often is when the TT Races are happening.....

What I am going to say now is probably going to raise a whole conversation on it's own, but there isn't a BBC Radio Cheshire, Cheshire has a population of at least 400,000 and we don't have a Radio Cheshire from the BBC or our BBC site, we either get put with Stoke, Manchester or Merseyside sites, so if I can compare that to this I can't see a 'Radio of IOM' happening, though if Jersey and Guernsey can have one, why can't the IOM?


I believe the Isle Of Man has a population of around 75,000-ish, and if you compare it to Jersey or Guernsey, it should by that standard have at least a BBC radio station.

However, I taken your point with the Cheshire argument. BBC Radio Newcastle covers Newcastle, Tyneside, Durham, Sunderland and Northumberland, which must have a combined population of around 60,000.

I wonder how the BBC makes a decision for local radio broadcasting?
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Adam
All New Johnnyboy posted:

However, I taken your point with the Cheshire argument. BBC Radio Newcastle covers Newcastle, Tyneside, Durham, Sunderland and Northumberland, which must have a combined population of around 60,000 .


I hope that's a mistype Laughing .
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Adam
nwtv2003 posted:
Does the Isle of Man have it's own Transmitter? As I remember hearing that half of the island watches Granada/BBC North West while the other half watches Border, so I take it they pick these up from the mainland?


I heard that Border served the whole island, but that NE&C/NW share it. It is crazy that BBC NE&C come anywhere near it - a heavily biased Newcastle service with a tiny bureaux in Teeside is hardly fit to go as far as the Pennines, never main an Island off the other side of the country.

Slightly off topic... does anyone know where Radio Newcastle signal actually ends? There's no Borders service and it's still loud and clear in Edinburgh. It also seems to go way down into North Yorkshire. Ironicaly in Whitby, Radio Newcastle and Radio Cleveland can be picked up, but not Radio York/North Yorkshire. Yet Radio Cleveland has virtually no signal at all in Durham City. Why?
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All New Johnnyboy
Adam posted:
I hope that's a mistype Laughing .


Yeah, that should have read 6,000! Wink

No, you're totally right, of course - it should be 600,000!
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GavBelfast
I know people on the island watch BBC NI / Ulster TV because it is quite easy to receive - especially from the west and upland areas generally - from Divis, and the people of Man like the way the NI channels show a fair bit of motor sport!
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BlaydononTyne
[quote="Adam"]
nwtv2003 posted:
Slightly off topic... does anyone know where Radio Newcastle signal actually ends? There's no Borders service and it's still loud and clear in Edinburgh. It also seems to go way down into North Yorkshire. Ironicaly in Whitby, Radio Newcastle and Radio Cleveland can be picked up, but not Radio York/North Yorkshire. Yet Radio Cleveland has virtually no signal at all in Durham City. Why?


Arent BBC Radios Newcastle & Cleveland broadcast from the same transmitter site but on different frequencies?
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Steve in Pudsey
certainly GMR, Sheffield and Leeds are all transmitted from Holme Moss, from directional aerials at the top of the mast.
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Steve in Pudsey
nwtv2003 posted:
Does the Isle of Man have it's own Transmitter?


Douglas [MB21]
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Inspector Sands
All New Johnnyboy posted:
The BBC has its own television and radio provisions for Jersey and Guernsey, two crown dependancies, total population 150,000.

Why is there no similar provision for The Isle Of Man, itself a crown dependancy, with a population larger than that of Guernsey's? At least a radio station, if not a dedicated news bulletin.

Does anyone know if there is some historic reason for this?


Well the Isle of Man has had Manx Radio since the 1960's. It is licensed by the Manx parliament and is totally independent of the BBC, IBA/Radio Autority/Ofcom. Presumably this is why no other Isle of Man station has been licensed/launched - the competition is very strong and the would effect the national broadcast, Manx

The main diffrence between the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands is that Man is quite near to Northern Ireland, England and Scotland so TV and radio signals from all 3 are easily recievable and to cover the island just requires a relay station. The Channel Islands are a long way from the UK therefore need their own transmitters and distribution from the UK. There also isn't the legacy of a locally regulated/owned/licensed broadcastign organisation such as Manx Radio
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A former member
[quote="BlaydononTyne"]
Adam posted:
nwtv2003 posted:
Slightly off topic... does anyone know where Radio Newcastle signal actually ends? There's no Borders service and it's still loud and clear in Edinburgh. It also seems to go way down into North Yorkshire. Ironicaly in Whitby, Radio Newcastle and Radio Cleveland can be picked up, but not Radio York/North Yorkshire. Yet Radio Cleveland has virtually no signal at all in Durham City. Why?


Arent BBC Radios Newcastle & Cleveland broadcast from the same transmitter site but on different frequencies?


Don't think so, Cleveland is available as far south as Wetherby, whereas Newcastle conks around Scotch Corner -- at least that's what happens on the radio in my car Rolling Eyes

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