MI
Ah, now that is an interesting moral issue; are you obliged to pay attention to adverts during a programme?
Very interesting, and I would argue that you are not obliged to pay attention because when the advertiser decides to purchase such advertising they are aware that every viewer of the television programme will not view/pay attention the adverts.
Mich
Founding member
Orry Verducci posted:
Reburning them without ads and such is the same as me skipping through the ads on the recordings on my Sky+ box. If it was so morally wrong, and the broadcasters didn't want us to do it, I'm sure that the Sky+ software would have been programmed by now to stop it, but it hasn't, which suggests there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
Ah, now that is an interesting moral issue; are you obliged to pay attention to adverts during a programme?
Very interesting, and I would argue that you are not obliged to pay attention because when the advertiser decides to purchase such advertising they are aware that every viewer of the television programme will not view/pay attention the adverts.
AS
I really can't believe you're having a moral dilemma about recording and storing programmes off the TV.
To the best of my knowledge, not one person has ever been pursued by TV Networks for damages simply for holding a recording of a broadcast show (or collection thereof) .
Stop whittling and get back to pressing "record" guilt-free. Good god, to think there are people dying in the world...
To the best of my knowledge, not one person has ever been pursued by TV Networks for damages simply for holding a recording of a broadcast show (or collection thereof) .
Stop whittling and get back to pressing "record" guilt-free. Good god, to think there are people dying in the world...
NJ
In the eyes of the law, its illegal to record the broadcast because its a violation of copyright law.
Curiously enough, its apparently legal to timeshift (for your personal use). Which is all you're doing when you record. So if you are unfortunate enough to end up in a court of law over it (you're more likely to win the Lottery three times over than end up in court for taping stuff off the telly), you could argue that you weren't "recording" anything, you were just timeshifting it.
Legally you're wrong to do it.
In the real world, the whole charade is quite obviously unenforceable.
The TV licence people will probably come a knocking (if you have no licence) but they'll only get you for not having the licence, not for taping stuff off the telly, curiously enough. I doubt they even have any powers to enforce that. If this is the case, then PC Plod is the only person able to enforce the law in this regard, and they've got more important fish to fry anyway.
In Australia, apparently they've been planning to make taping off the telly legal and ripping your CDs to MP3 legal as well sometime in 2007.
The whole issue boils down to copyright and law implementation. In America, the whole situation of taping stuff off the telly and copying your CDs to tape to play in the car (and MP3 players) has been legal for many years. In the UK, you're legally not allowed to copy a CD to tape to play it in the car; you're supposed to buy a new copy. Apparently this is all due to change either this year or next, to insert a "fair use" clause. I believe it's come from Brussells. Its also due to change in Australia.
Neil Jones
Founding member
Bewitched_Fan_2k posted:
Basically wanted to see what you all think about this morally, because yes it is 'ILEGAL' at the end of the day.
In the eyes of the law, its illegal to record the broadcast because its a violation of copyright law.
Curiously enough, its apparently legal to timeshift (for your personal use). Which is all you're doing when you record. So if you are unfortunate enough to end up in a court of law over it (you're more likely to win the Lottery three times over than end up in court for taping stuff off the telly), you could argue that you weren't "recording" anything, you were just timeshifting it.
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Question I ask of you is morally do you all think its wrong for me to do it? I mean I have looked and there are no DVD's of either of them, and the set will just be for me to watch from I won't try and sell it to others for a profit, but that still is legal according to the law.
Legally you're wrong to do it.
In the real world, the whole charade is quite obviously unenforceable.
The TV licence people will probably come a knocking (if you have no licence) but they'll only get you for not having the licence, not for taping stuff off the telly, curiously enough. I doubt they even have any powers to enforce that. If this is the case, then PC Plod is the only person able to enforce the law in this regard, and they've got more important fish to fry anyway.
In Australia, apparently they've been planning to make taping off the telly legal and ripping your CDs to MP3 legal as well sometime in 2007.
The whole issue boils down to copyright and law implementation. In America, the whole situation of taping stuff off the telly and copying your CDs to tape to play in the car (and MP3 players) has been legal for many years. In the UK, you're legally not allowed to copy a CD to tape to play it in the car; you're supposed to buy a new copy. Apparently this is all due to change either this year or next, to insert a "fair use" clause. I believe it's come from Brussells. Its also due to change in Australia.
PO
Would HAVE been. You grammar inept fool. Go back to school.
Excuse me, but I am educated! It's an easy mistake to make.
Just ignore this idiot dbl. Looking at his last dozen or so posts it is clear that big_fat is looking at the wrong website - he / she needs to go and annoy people on a "Use of the English Language" forum instead as there's very few posts actually about TV...
Back to the point of the Thread.
If the recording is for your own personal use, why should there be any problem with keeping it ? Just do it and stop worrying about it!
dbl posted:
big_fat posted:
dbl posted:
would of been
Would HAVE been. You grammar inept fool. Go back to school.
Excuse me, but I am educated! It's an easy mistake to make.
Just ignore this idiot dbl. Looking at his last dozen or so posts it is clear that big_fat is looking at the wrong website - he / she needs to go and annoy people on a "Use of the English Language" forum instead as there's very few posts actually about TV...
Back to the point of the Thread.
If the recording is for your own personal use, why should there be any problem with keeping it ? Just do it and stop worrying about it!
RM
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Would HAVE been. You grammar inept fool. Go back to school.
Excuse me, but I am educated! It's an easy mistake to make.
Just ignore this idiot dbl. Looking at his last dozen or so posts it is clear that big_fat is looking at the wrong website - he / she needs to go and annoy people on a "Use of the English Language" forum instead as there's very few posts actually about TV...
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Well I find it useful when people make such crass errors since it flags up straight away those whose opinions are easily ignored. If they can't get a basic point like that correct who can have respect for their opinion? It really does help sort out those best filed in the waste basket.
Normally if I make a mistake I apologise but then perhaps I come from a different era.
Now, back to the thread. Should we not be more concerned with the original poster's obsession with junk children's cartoons rather than agonising over trivial legal transgressions.? Copyright law can be a total ass, as it is in the case of home recording for personal use.
dbl posted:
big_fat posted:
dbl posted:
would of been
Would HAVE been. You grammar inept fool. Go back to school.
Excuse me, but I am educated! It's an easy mistake to make.
Just ignore this idiot dbl. Looking at his last dozen or so posts it is clear that big_fat is looking at the wrong website - he / she needs to go and annoy people on a "Use of the English Language" forum instead as there's very few posts actually about TV...
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Well I find it useful when people make such crass errors since it flags up straight away those whose opinions are easily ignored. If they can't get a basic point like that correct who can have respect for their opinion? It really does help sort out those best filed in the waste basket.
Normally if I make a mistake I apologise but then perhaps I come from a different era.
Now, back to the thread. Should we not be more concerned with the original poster's obsession with junk children's cartoons rather than agonising over trivial legal transgressions.? Copyright law can be a total ass, as it is in the case of home recording for personal use.
RM
I think it's morally justifiable to record programmes off the BBC, since each TV viewer (in theory) pays the licence fee for the BBC to make programmes in the first place 
Some people might argue that you pay to buy blank VHS/DVDs and the video/DVD recorder itself, so in a way you are paying for the privilege of recording the programmes
As for "would of" etc, just remember that "of" isn't a verb (auxillary verb to precise), with that in mind you ought not to commit the "could of" sin again
Some people might argue that you pay to buy blank VHS/DVDs and the video/DVD recorder itself, so in a way you are paying for the privilege of recording the programmes
As for "would of" etc, just remember that "of" isn't a verb (auxillary verb to precise), with that in mind you ought not to commit the "could of" sin again