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CI
cityprod
I know RTE are afraid of canabalising their audience from Morning Ireland on RTE Radio 1, but they really should think about doing something better at breakfast time. RTE News Now simulcasts Morning Ireland, and really, they should put that simulcast on RTE One, although maybe construct a more television friendly studio or set for it to air from. Otherwise, something like a half hour bulletin at 7am or 8am, or short updates every half hour between 7am and 9am with other programmes between might be better.
JK
JKDerry
cityprod posted:
I know RTE are afraid of canabalising their audience from Morning Ireland on RTE Radio 1, but they really should think about doing something better at breakfast time. RTE News Now simulcasts Morning Ireland, and really, they should put that simulcast on RTE One, although maybe construct a more television friendly studio or set for it to air from. Otherwise, something like a half hour bulletin at 7am or 8am, or short updates every half hour between 7am and 9am with other programmes between might be better.

They did try a morning show called Morning Edition, but can you guess what time they aired it from? Yes, you guessed it from 9.00am until 11.00am so as to avoid any clash with Morning Ireland. The programme lasted two years before it got the axe in 2014.
CH
chinamug
JKDerry posted:

Hi, where in Ireland are you from? When did you get multi-channel? Was it via cable? Thanks.


Travelled around a bit as a kid but was in Cork from the mid 80's onwards, Cousins would have had cable in Cork City, while I would have gotten my UK TV via Defectors. As in Southcoast Television. They rebroadcasted BBC1 BBC2 and HTV. Spent time in Wicklow when I was younger and BBC came directly from UK broadcasts
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Brekkie
JKDerry posted:
RTE schedules are appalling at times, and you always get the feeling they have had a root around at the bottom of an old cupboard, and found a few old dvds and VHS cassettes and decided to bung that on the air to fill the hours. There sometimes seem that no thought is given to certain times of the day, especially on RTE One. At least RTE2 has kids programmes for the bulk of their weekday line up.

For example tomorrow RTE One's schedule:

RTE One kicks off at 6.00am Euronews. 7.30am Teleshopping. 8.05 Today (repeat of their afternoon magazine show from the previous Friday). 10.05am The Ellen DeGeneres Show. 11.00am Dr Phil. 11.55am Shortland Street. 12.25pm Doctors. - So from 6.00am until 1.00pm, it is a simulcast of Euronews, some teleshopping, a repeat of their own afternoon show and US imported talk shows (I have no idea how far behind US transmission) and two soaps, one from New Zealand and the other Doctors from the UK, apparently the UK Doctors episode is from January 2018, so 10 months behind UK broadcast.

Not the best line up for daytime, but RTE assumes no one will be watching them, and hence they don't bother.

Their first main news programme of the day is at 1.00pm. Yes, 1.00pm. RTE News does not wake up on RTE One ever in the mornings.

From 1.30pm, RTE One hurl imported soaps of Neighbours, Home and Away and a repeat of Eastenders from Friday (RTE One simulcast BBC Eastenders) along with a repeat of their home grown soap Fair City until 3.30pm, when RTE One finally kicks into gear with Today with Maura and Daithi, a programme which could easily suit 7.00am or 10.00am slot.

5.40pm until 7.00pm is a very weird slot, An Nuacht (news in Irish), News for the Deaf and then the one hour Six-One News.

It is only from 7.00pm does RTE One really bother with home produced shows. Excluding Eastenders at 8.00pm, for two hours it is home produced shows.

9.00pm News, followed by more home produced shows, which seems to be the norm, a documentary about Brendan Grace, and then Clare Byrne Live.

Through the night is the usual repeats mash up, repeat of Friday's Late Late Show until they come to a halt with Euronews.

So its daytime fodder during the day, news in early peak and original programming in primetime, then reruns overnight. You've pretty much described every channel in the world there.
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JK
JKDerry
Brekkie posted:
JKDerry posted:
RTE schedules are appalling at times, and you always get the feeling they have had a root around at the bottom of an old cupboard, and found a few old dvds and VHS cassettes and decided to bung that on the air to fill the hours. There sometimes seem that no thought is given to certain times of the day, especially on RTE One. At least RTE2 has kids programmes for the bulk of their weekday line up.

For example tomorrow RTE One's schedule:

RTE One kicks off at 6.00am Euronews. 7.30am Teleshopping. 8.05 Today (repeat of their afternoon magazine show from the previous Friday). 10.05am The Ellen DeGeneres Show. 11.00am Dr Phil. 11.55am Shortland Street. 12.25pm Doctors. - So from 6.00am until 1.00pm, it is a simulcast of Euronews, some teleshopping, a repeat of their own afternoon show and US imported talk shows (I have no idea how far behind US transmission) and two soaps, one from New Zealand and the other Doctors from the UK, apparently the UK Doctors episode is from January 2018, so 10 months behind UK broadcast.

Not the best line up for daytime, but RTE assumes no one will be watching them, and hence they don't bother.

Their first main news programme of the day is at 1.00pm. Yes, 1.00pm. RTE News does not wake up on RTE One ever in the mornings.

From 1.30pm, RTE One hurl imported soaps of Neighbours, Home and Away and a repeat of Eastenders from Friday (RTE One simulcast BBC Eastenders) along with a repeat of their home grown soap Fair City until 3.30pm, when RTE One finally kicks into gear with Today with Maura and Daithi, a programme which could easily suit 7.00am or 10.00am slot.

5.40pm until 7.00pm is a very weird slot, An Nuacht (news in Irish), News for the Deaf and then the one hour Six-One News.

It is only from 7.00pm does RTE One really bother with home produced shows. Excluding Eastenders at 8.00pm, for two hours it is home produced shows.

9.00pm News, followed by more home produced shows, which seems to be the norm, a documentary about Brendan Grace, and then Clare Byrne Live.

Through the night is the usual repeats mash up, repeat of Friday's Late Late Show until they come to a halt with Euronews.

So its daytime fodder during the day, news in early peak and original programming in primetime, then reruns overnight. You've pretty much described every channel in the world there.

It is the amount of home produced programming, or lack of, especially in the 6.00am to 6.00pm hours that RTE should address. At least the BBC and ITV try to produce their own shows, and I know RTE does not have a huge budget, but trying to do something decent with cheap home produced show would be better to try and offer a decent alternative to Virgin Media One.


Virgin Media One (used to be TV3) have Ireland AM from 7.00am-10.30am, and then until 5.30pm their schedule nose dives too, with ITV programming including a live simulcast of This Morning hurled at viewers. Only a lunchtime news and Elaine (sort of talk show, with no audience I believe) are the home produced shows.
MR
mr_vivian
Well I suppose The Today Show is an RTÈ show within those hours.

I can't see RTĖ changing anything.
JK
JKDerry
mr_vivian posted:
Well I suppose The Today Show is an RTÈ show within those hours.

I can't see RTĖ changing anything.

I remember having an email reply from RTE when I suggested they maybe bring in some morning news on RTE One. The response was, yes, we agree and we will pass this on to the director of news and current affairs. That was it. Never heard anything else again. RTE is a public service broadcaster, funded by the Irish licence fee payer, and so I feel there should be a decent clean up of their daytime schedules, and an introduction of some sort of morning news on RTE One, the nations national broadcaster.
LL
London Lite Founding member
JKDerry posted:

Virgin Media One (used to be TV3) have Ireland AM from 7.00am-10.30am, and then until 5.30pm their schedule nose dives too, with ITV programming including a live simulcast of This Morning hurled at viewers. Only a lunchtime news and Elaine (sort of talk show, with no audience I believe) are the home produced shows.


Compare Elaine to Loose Women from ITV. One is an earthly dull women's issues skewed show, another is a livelier women's issues skewed show. LW to me isn't great, but compared to Elaine, at least it has oomph and generates publicity.

If I was Virgin Media, I don't blame them for buying in a ton of British programming from ITV to pad the schedule out when the VM Irish programme formats are so boring (Ireland AM included) that it justifies spending daytime on those shows.

The Six O'Clock Show has their moments, but again, it's stuck with a rigid pedestrian format.
JK
JKDerry
London Lite posted:
JKDerry posted:

Virgin Media One (used to be TV3) have Ireland AM from 7.00am-10.30am, and then until 5.30pm their schedule nose dives too, with ITV programming including a live simulcast of This Morning hurled at viewers. Only a lunchtime news and Elaine (sort of talk show, with no audience I believe) are the home produced shows.


Compare Elaine to Loose Women from ITV. One is an earthly dull women's issues skewed show, another is a livelier women's issues skewed show. LW to me isn't great, but compared to Elaine, at least it has oomph and generates publicity.

If I was Virgin Media, I don't blame them for buying in a ton of British programming from ITV to pad the schedule out when the VM Irish programme formats are so boring (Ireland AM included) that it justifies spending daytime on those shows.

The Six O'Clock Show has their moments, but again, it's stuck with a rigid pedestrian format.

Am I right in thinking Ireland AM, Elaine and the "Six O'Clock Show" whatever that is, Ireland's One Show? - are just there to fill cheaply the mandated hours required by the Irish broadcasting authorities for Virgin Media One has to provide of home produced programming?
CH
chinamug
JKDerry posted:

Am I right in thinking Ireland AM, Elaine and the "Six O'Clock Show" whatever that is, Ireland's One Show? - are just there to fill cheaply the mandated hours required by the Irish broadcasting authorities for Virgin Media One has to provide of home produced programming?


Not exactly, they do more than is required by the BAI but by producing so much of this type of programming, they can Claim that up to 50% of output is Irish (it was in times past, not now)
It's Dirt cheap to produce. At one point Ireland AM was on almost 40 hours a week between the live show, the rerun on 3e and then the best of Ireland AM shows and the various repeats of them. In times past the Elaine Show only had one researcher for 3 hours a day.

It would be really interesting to see the figures watching these shows in homes that have more than Saorview. I would think that if the Saorview only Households were taken away (about 9%-10% of the population) the viewing figures would drop by half or more overall, and the figures are very low to begin with.

This Morning over the last few months has made the overall weekly top 20 programmes every once and a while. That's not a sign of healthy viewing figures.
LL
London Lite Founding member
JKDerry posted:

Am I right in thinking Ireland AM, Elaine and the "Six O'Clock Show" whatever that is, Ireland's One Show?


The Six O'Clock Show is largely an Irish version of The One Show with an added cookery slot to keep their sponsor happy with the PP for their cooker hobs.

It doesn't have the ability to book the same type of guests that The One Show has, so you'll find some old Irish actors/performers, other presenters from Virgin Media Television or someone with an RTÉ show to plug.

The main positive from this show is that co-presenter Muireann O'Connell has the skills to go across to the UK and present over here. The same can't be said for many of those presenters who'll still be presenting Ireland AM until they retire.
CH
chinamug
To be fair The Six O Clock Show was the one Show they made that had any sort of success. When it originally went out As Late Lunch Live in the afternoons it had a good audience for the time of day and possibly some of the highest numbers for any show before 5 pm on TV3. However, when they lost the ITV soaps and moved it to Seven it lost almost all it's audience, mostly because they were watching the ITV Soaps on UTV Ireland. It's never recovered, the show is the best of their Daytime output by far but almost no one is watching.

The Show replaced the Morning Show which went out around 11 every morning and had no audience at all as they were all watching This Morning on UTV. That problem has now been resolved by Virgin Media having that show.

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