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Inconsistencies with re-branding?

(August 2017)

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benriggers
Didn't they stick the 1997 BBC logo in the opening titles of some Bergerac repeats a while ago?

They did with Doctor Who repeats on UK Gold as well.
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A former member
Did this carry on with the repeats on Horror?
MA
mannewskev
The Big Breakfast had a period of inconsistencies with their branding in 2001. Shortly after they undid the 2001 re-launch, they introduced new titles & break stings yet they had a short period of using the re-launch menu, graphics, cue cards and the news still used the re-launch background.


Why was it they did that? Just in a rush to get rid of as much of the failed new look as quickly as possible? They did something broadly similar in 1997 as well.
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Steve in Pudsey
This was always a bit of a branding oddity - was the Test Card the only occasion when the stripey BBC from the BBC1 ident was seen with the BBC 2 stripey 2?

JA
james-2001
Don't forget that logo on the BBC2 test card lasted through until 1991 as well, through the "TWO" era.
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Steve in Pudsey
That's a good shout, although there was a BBC1 test card with the legend looking similar to on the COW globe, and I'm fairly sure that there was eventually a TWO test card.
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nodnirG kraM
Interesting. I don't suppose anyone else catches the Dad's Army repeats on BBC Two from time to time? The end credits on some episodes look to me like they've been digitally recreated, but they're very authentic, using the right font.


But… they use a 'BBC tv' logo in this style.


Wouldn't it have used the more rounded version of the boxes and said BBC Colour?

I'm not sure if the Dad's Army credits were ever remade, but up until 1972 the standard format was /B/B/C/ /tv/ in the style of that globe, without the word 'COLOUR', and without the copyright notice. In 1972 it switches to /B/B/C/ COLOUR with rounded boxes and the copyright date with 'BBC' in plain text.

Christmas Special 1976.
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Stuart
Christmas Special 1976.

Oh my! Confused

Just look at that dodgy mismatch of fonts! It looks as confused as the lower thirds on an American news channel Shocked
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A former member
What about BBC Scotland use of still Calling BBC one Scotland during the 90s as BBC Scotland?

DE
deejay
I'm just guessing here, but given the timescales we're talking, and the equipment in use at the time, I suspect a lot of these inconsistencies are down to the fact they there was no such thing as a standard jpeg, targa file, logo etc in those days. There was a house style for logos such as those for copyright, yes, but the exact kerning, line spacing etc was often down to the Aston operator on duty at the time. It wasn't an exact science. Many captions transited by presentation were framed up by cameras pointing at stills and while those generated by the infamous Noddy camera may have been of a relatively standard size, but the colours may have drifted slightly (see Cox Box), captions generated by programmes and news programmes in particular will have been done on an ad hoc basis.

There's a video in YouTube of a north west contribution to the classic nationwide programme, where regions provided national contributions to the main programme with various stories of interest. Each region idented their output with a logo with Manchester, Southampton etc written beneath it, and this logo was still often referred to as "The Mandala". (The former Nationwide title sequence had lots of Orange and yellow NW logos formed in a circle rotating, and looked like a bit like a mandala https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala)

The video, and I'll post a link to it below, is of a rehearsal for the network contribution and has production talkback on it from Manchester, you can quite clearly hear the director framing up one of the cameras pointing at a caption stand with the north west mandala on it, making sure it's not too big and in the right place on the screen. When Manchester cut to Leeds to send it down the line to London (only Leeds or Manchester could be fed to London at a time) it's quite obvious Leeds' Mandala is totally different in size and position.

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NorthTonight
What about BBC Scotland use of still Calling BBC one Scotland during the 90s as BBC Scotland?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD276lR-CEE


I know that during the virtual globe era Scotland and Wales ( and presuming NI as well ) used to refer to themselves as " BBC Scotland on 1 " or " BBC Wales on 1 ". So probably only a slight slip-up here by not saying " on 1 ".
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A former member
What about BBC Scotland use of still Calling BBC one Scotland during the 90s as BBC Scotland?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD276lR-CEE


I know that during the virtual globe era Scotland and Wales ( and presuming NI as well ) used to refer to themselves as " BBC Scotland on 1 " or " BBC Wales on 1 ". So probably only a slight slip-up here by not saying " on 1 ".


Then its lot of slip ups Wink

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