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Can an ident be abandoned?

(May 2018)

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IS
Inspector Sands
Riaz posted:
noggin posted:
Company C's status would be key, though you may end up in a situation where no surviving entity can claim the rights. These would potentially be Orphan works? That would then allow Company D, who have the physical copies of the content, to apply to license them?


What about a company that has the rights to the name and logo of company A? Lets say that company E buys a few programmes from company C that also includes a programme by company A and the right to the name and logo of company A is sold along with it.

Is anyone keeping up with this?

Does anyone know the point of this thread?
GE
thegeek Founding member
Riaz posted:
A British satellite TV company A ceases broadcasting (so it no longer has use for its idents and promos) but continues as a supplier of programmes from its back catalogue to other TV channels.

It moves to another premises and leaves the tapes of its idents in a closet of its old premises that are sold to company B which is not a TV company. No details of the tapes are included in the sales paperwork so the tapes are effectively abandoned / forgotten.

A foreign TV company C takes over company A for its back catalogue. Company A is liquidated and the tapes of its back catalogue later leave Britain. New digital copies of the programmes are created and the old tapes are destroyed. Company C rebrands programmes by changing endcaps etc. to eliminate all identity of company A. The paperwork is also updated to remove references to company A as it no longer exists.

Company C goes bust and it sells off its back catalogue of programmes on a piecemeal basis. The back catalogue of company A is now split up and owned by several organisations, most of which have little knowledge of company A.

Company B sells their premises to company D, which is also not a TV company. During refurbishment the tapes of the idents from company A are found in a closet.

Who exactly has the rights to them?

I'm pretty sure the answer involves Southern TV.
RI
Riaz
thegeek posted:
I'm pretty sure the answer involves Southern TV.


I believe that the rights to the idents of Southern TV are owned by Nic Ayling.
NG
noggin Founding member
Riaz posted:
noggin posted:
Company C's status would be key, though you may end up in a situation where no surviving entity can claim the rights. These would potentially be Orphan works? That would then allow Company D, who have the physical copies of the content, to apply to license them?


What about a company that has the rights to the name and logo of company A? Lets say that company E buys a few programmes from company C that also includes a programme by company A and the right to the name and logo of company A is sold along with it.


I don't think ownership of the name and logo has any relevance to ownership of the artistic works made by the company, unless they were purchased along with the name and the logo (and accompanied by the relevant contractual rights agreements and paperwork that made it possible to pay people to allow them to be rebroadcast or released on other media)
ST
Stuart
Inspector Sands posted:
Is anyone keeping up with this?

Does anyone know the point of this thread?

I thought the original point of the thread was about abandoned idents. But it seemed to head of in a different direction about rights issues for idents that were no longer used.

I had hoped to see a discussion of such examples as these:



There was a reason why these weren't used, and they were not always replaced by anything better. Shocked

The only one I like is at 4:30, which I presume was as a news/serious intro. The 'regional ident' at 6:10 is bad. I can understand why they were never used.
Last edited by Stuart on 7 May 2018 1:08am - 3 times in total
VM
VMPhil
The 1999 generic unused idents have only appeared in 4:3 but surely they were produced in 16:9, as the footage was still used in the idents that eventually came to screen.
ST
Stuart
VMPhil posted:
The 1999 generic unused idents have only appeared in 4:3 but surely they were produced in 16:9, as the footage was still used in the idents that eventually came to screen.

Those particular 1989 idents (Granada, TVS etc) never made it to screen.
JA
JAS84
With good reason. Granada's V symbol was botched, no line on the arrow. And TVS's didn't include their actual logo.
IS
Inspector Sands
Stuart posted:

I thought the original point of the thread was about abandoned idents. But it seemed to head of in a different direction about rights issues for idents that were no longer used..

It was originally about rights and copyright abandonment, but it's changed into being about ones that stopped being used.

I think Riaz has something very specific he's trying to ask, but is fudging around it with stories about 'company A, company B'.... if he just came out and asked what exactly he wants to know we could focus this car crash of a thread
Stuart, DE88 and rob gave kudos
:-(
A former member
1989 idents are still weird. Central took it then mashed it up with its own style creating at least 5 more idents. Granada mashed it up. Stv might have kept it longer but it was never used full time in the First place.

I did post done idents that were abandoned in the woods 😉
RI
Riaz
Inspector Sands posted:
I think Riaz has something very specific he's trying to ask, but is fudging around it with stories about 'company A, company B'.... if he just came out and asked what exactly he wants to know we could focus this car crash of a thread


Nothing specific apart from an emphasis on defunct satellite and cable channels.
FB
Fluffy Bunny Feet
Riaz posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
I think Riaz has something very specific he's trying to ask, but is fudging around it with stories about 'company A, company B'.... if he just came out and asked what exactly he wants to know we could focus this car crash of a thread


Nothing specific apart from an emphasis on defunct satellite and cable channels.


I want to know what happens after 'company Z' goes bust...

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