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(March 2002)

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MD
mdta
ITV Digital could close down 'within weeks' if the Football League today refuses to accept a £128m cut in the amount it is owed by the troubled pay-TV company to broadcast its games.

The beleaguered business has told league executives it can afford to pay only £50m of the £178m it owes under the terms of a three year contract. If the league's board rejects the cut-price deal at a meeting today, ITV Digital could close within weeks and the clubs would lose out altogether, industry sources say.

The league, however, has warned that around one third of its 72 clubs could go bankrupt if the deal collapses. Many chairmen are expected to offer stiff resistance to the controversial offer.

Many analysts believe the value of sports rights has peaked and the chairmen realise that in an uncertain economy they are unlikely to attract any alternative offers from other broadcasters.

'This offer is non-negotiable,' said a senior source at one of ITV's biggest shareholders. 'It is a realistic reflection of what the rights are worth in this market and all the business can afford. The clubs have to ask themselves who else is going to support them if ITV Digital goes bust.'

Many chairmen, particularly those in the first division, want the channel to honour its contract.

Bradford City's chairman, Geoffrey Richmond, who is also a member of the Football League board, said: 'We have a binding contract with ITV Digital and we expect them to abide by it. The league will not be happy about accepting a renegotiated contract.

'We have all signed contracts that with the benefit of hindsight we should not have done but that does not mean that we can get out of them. Our position is quite clear. We have a contract that obligates ITV Digital to pay us £178m over the next two years and we expect them to honour that.'

The problem facing the 72 clubs is that there are not believed to be any guarantees from Carlton and Granada, the owners of ITV Digital. If the business were to close down, the clubs would have to launch a legal claim against a bankrupt organisation with few assets.

The two companies believe that renegotiating the contract is the only way ITV Digital can survive. They have already spent £800m on the business, which has 1.2 million subscribers but is way behind BSkyB in the race to sign up digital TV customers.

ITV Digital recently appointed Deloitte & Touche, the accountancy firm, to urgently and 'fundamentally' restructure all its deals with suppliers of content, including the £315m deal with the Football League.

ITV has been badly burned by gambles on football that have not paid off.

A bold move to wrest the Premiership highlights from the BBC and Match of the Day has been a financial failure and the show has been moved from prime time to a slot later in the evening.

The Football League contract has turned out to be massively overpriced. As few as 1,000 viewers have tuned in to watch some of the lower league games and the exclusive rights have failed to attract the number of subscribers ITV had hoped for.

Underlining the seriousness of the current predicament, it was Carlton's chief executive, Gerry Murphy, and Granada's chairman, Charles Allen, who with the ITV chief executive, Stuart Prebble, formed a high-powered delegation that made the £50m offer to the league last week.

Their presence was designed to emphasise to league executives that ITV Digital was serious when it said the contract had to be renegotiated.

Broadcasting rivals believe ITV is bluffing and trying to railroad the clubs into accepting a poorer deal.

City analysts expect the clubs to reject the £50m offer but steer away from all-out legal war. They believe the clubs will ask the league's executives to return to the negotiating table and try to extract a better deal, albeit vastly lower than the original contract.

The Guardian


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ST
stegranadaitv1
That will be bad if it does close down. Luckily for my sake we have NTL Digital. But if NTL got the PPV rights for the Premiership they would be in the same position as ITV Digital are today.

Though ITV Digital are desperate for subscibers, as this morning we got an advert through the post for a special offer for ITV Digital like get a monkey or something. Though I don't think putting offers through the post is going to save them any money.

If it does close down within weeks will the ITV Sport Channel go, or will it go under new ownership or that the football goes back to Sky. (Which it should have done in the first place.)
TE
tesandco Founding member
That must be a slight misunderstanding on the part of the Guardian. From what I've read, if the sport deal cannot be negotiated, the ITV Sport Channel(Not ITV Digital) could close within weeks.

Of course, without the ITV Sport Channel, ITV Digital has very little left to stay afloat, but I think the entire platform will last more than a few weeks.(Give it a few months)

(Edited by tesandco at 12:23 pm on Mar. 21, 2002)
MD
mdta
NO the deal for the football was made with ITV Digital, they launched the sport channel to make use of them, and normally the contract is non negotiable, but ITV Digital are desperate to avoid this...
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They had better hope the FA do accept the lower price, thats the only thing that can save them now.

ITV digital has tried to out do everyone, Sky, BBC but they need to know their place, ITV is itv, its not a sport channel business, nor is it digital tv business, they should stick to being a channel, not a provider, leave that to the pros.
CH
chrisb
So if ITVD goes bust will:

a) DVB Still be available
b) ITVD Boxes pick up the FTA DVB channels
c) We be able to keep our ITVD boxes for free?
d) Integrated ITVD TV's be useless?
MR
mromega2000
So if ITVD goes bust will:

a) DVB Still be available

Yes, BBC, ITV, C4, C5 will still be available.

b) ITVD Boxes pick up the FTA DVB channels

Yes, ditto above

c) We be able to keep our ITVD boxes for free?

Nope, these will be reclaimed by those called in to wind the company up or offered for sale at a low price.

d) Integrated ITVD TV's be useless?

Nope, ditto answer 1&2
CW
cwathen Founding member
Quote:

If it does close down within weeks will the ITV Sport Channel go, or will it go under new ownership or that the football goes back to Sky. (Which it

I think the sport channel will stay. I think this will mean the death of ITV Digital as a platform, but not altogether - I can see them carrying on as a GSB/UKTV type provider of channels to other pay TV services. Whether or not this will last (what do they have to offer except for ITV Sport?) though I think is very questionable.

That must be a slight misunderstanding on the part of the Guardian. From what I've read, if the sport deal cannot be negotiated, the ITV Sport Channel(Not ITV Digital) could close within weeks.

Of course, without the ITV Sport Channel, ITV Digital has very little left to stay afloat, but I think the entire platform will last more than a few weeks.(Give it a few months)
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But it's the sports channel which ultimately killed it. Never in my life have I seen such an overrated channel launch. The fact that the viewers don't match the hype only highlight this. I think it would have been in a much less vulnerable position if it had remained as ONdigital and not tied to ITV.

Quote:

a) DVB Still be available
b) ITVD Boxes pick up the FTA DVB channels
c) We be able to keep our ITVD boxes for free?
d) Integrated ITVD TV's be useless?

A) DVB is a term which can be applied to all digital TV. Sky is DVB. So yes. And if you meant DTT, then yes also. It also means that there will be 3 whole multiplexes available, and space on D3&4 and SDN too. There is an opening for another pay TV provider (one which does it properly, and preferably one linked to another platform. The SkyDigital Basic idea I think is the only one which has any hope of suceeding). Or there is hope for some pay TV channels become free on DTT (i.e. Sky One, UK Gold, Discovery etc which have expressed an interest) and the addition of more FTA channels like Sky News.

B) ITV Digital boxes will continue as FTA DTT receivers.

C) Technically, no. But really, ITV Digital's box collection procedures are highly inefficient. Someone I know did a box swap (card reader failed), but ITVD used a courier which would take the old box back without a return form, which they didn't provide them with. Result, the person now has two ITV Digital boxes, the old one being perfectly serviceable as an FTA DTT receiver. I have heard many other similar stories, I reckon an awful lot of boxes slip through the next when being recovered. And if they were ever to have to recover all of the boxes that they own, I can see even more slipping through the net.

D) Assuming you meant, IDTV's. Yes. This is not the death of the DTT platform (although if that FTA box wasn't coming out it could have set it back years - while ITVD may not be the be all and end all of DTT, the DTT platform certainly relies very heavily on it atm), just the death of a channel provider who didn't know their place as an inferior niche platform for a small group of people, but instead tried to take on Sky and got their fingers burnt for it.
ST
Ste Founding member
Quote:
mdta on 12:53 pm on Mar. 21, 2002

They had better hope the FA do accept the lower price, thats the only thing that can save them now.


Its got nothing to do with the FA. ITV Digital/Sport Channel's deal was with the Football League.

Ste
MD
mdta
i got confused, i dont like football so thats that.
OZ
ozsat Founding member
The point is that if the 'new' deal is not agreed - it will end all of ITV Digital.

ITV Digital do not have the money to pay the Football League - the League would then take legal action to get any money that ITV Digital can get their hands on and have a contract to have it as well!

This will mean that if ITV Digital has enough money to run anything - then they have some money which the League is due!
BB
adamjlikesBBC1
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CA
CrystalAvenger
Hmm... how imature is the person above??? If you can't contribute anything useful then just sod off elsewhere.

Right - I for one, of course, would be very sad to see ITVD go under - but I also agree with a number of the posts here that highlight they've made some vary serious mistakes, especially when it comes to the football. I'm not that interested in it and frankly I think people who have a keen interest in most sports are going to opt for satellite anyway.

Anyway, let's not talk before what should have been a good idea gets laid to rest - there might be something around the corner to save it's bacon yet...

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