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Because the closing credits now fade in and out - rather than scroll up the screen - five no longer show the copyright caption and date, as this frame also contains the official H&A website URL and AOL caption. I guess they only want to promote their own H&A site, or they aren't allowed to promote the other one.
At least five actually show the closing credits, unlike ITV who cut them down to five seconds in the later years!
I wonder if we will see the generic 'red' Channel Seven end credits when the time comes, or if a different set will be used for overseas sales?
At least five actually show the closing credits, unlike ITV who cut them down to five seconds in the later years!
I wonder if we will see the generic 'red' Channel Seven end credits when the time comes, or if a different set will be used for overseas sales?
NG
Wasn't it only used for a one-off special on Emmerdale?
Does anyone remember it being used for a couple of episodes of Casualty? ISTR that in one interview the then Exec Prod (Corinne Hollingworth - now at Five?) enthused about how they'd "moved to film"... Hmmm... Not quite - just a nasty flickery effect in post (and the Casualty one was baaad) ISTR that Casualty was shot single (not multi) camera for ages before the flickering was added (possibly even from launch?) There were so many complaints the film-effect was ditched pretty quickly - mid-season.
noggin
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Flava posted:
Remember when they used it on Emmerdale? Lasted all of 5 minutes of course.
Wasn't it only used for a one-off special on Emmerdale?
Does anyone remember it being used for a couple of episodes of Casualty? ISTR that in one interview the then Exec Prod (Corinne Hollingworth - now at Five?) enthused about how they'd "moved to film"... Hmmm... Not quite - just a nasty flickery effect in post (and the Casualty one was baaad) ISTR that Casualty was shot single (not multi) camera for ages before the flickering was added (possibly even from launch?) There were so many complaints the film-effect was ditched pretty quickly - mid-season.
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Gavin Scott
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Its now used (extremely well) on River City. Has been for ages. In fact, BBC Scotland have been showing unprocessed trails lately which actually look a bit yuk without it.
TV
I have always believed the exact reverse - untreated video makes you feel you are there amid the action. Filmic effect give an oppressive effect which is often unwarranted.
Thanks to out-take shows we see how much better programmes like Bad Girls and Hollyoaks could look; alas their producers are not for turning.
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On the other hand I always think that interlaced shooting makes soap drama look "realler" - as it is closer to how you see things in real life, and on the news etc.
I have always believed the exact reverse - untreated video makes you feel you are there amid the action. Filmic effect give an oppressive effect which is often unwarranted.
Thanks to out-take shows we see how much better programmes like Bad Girls and Hollyoaks could look; alas their producers are not for turning.
IT
Webpage about Home and Away and HDTV
The article says that the standard definition versions of the HDTV Home and Away have duplicated fields, meaning that the vertical resolution is halved to 288 lines instead of 576, giving the awful effect.
The article says that the standard definition versions of the HDTV Home and Away have duplicated fields, meaning that the vertical resolution is halved to 288 lines instead of 576, giving the awful effect.
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It's an interesting article but I fail to see what this so-called upgrade has done for us. To me it looked better and clearer before, so exactly what "HD" has to do with it is puzzling me. Even the executive producer admits that
So he's saying that we have to get used to it?!?? If this is the future then hell I'd rathed be in the past. I fail to see how halving the frame rate can be considered better.
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"The dreaded 'flickering' effect worried us at the beginning, but in practice your eye very quickly ignores it."
So he's saying that we have to get used to it?!?? If this is the future then hell I'd rathed be in the past. I fail to see how halving the frame rate can be considered better.
JA
I have always believed the exact reverse - untreated video makes you feel you are there amid the action. Filmic effect give an oppressive effect which is often unwarranted.
Actually, tvarksouthwest, you are both saying the same thing! Interlaced means non-filmic. Though technically it's the frame rate that makes the dfference between filmic & non-filmic. 50fps is non-filmic and while standard definition only offers interlaced video HDTV lets you shoot 50fps both interlaced & progressive (25fps is porgressive only). I'm not totally sure why the producers of Home & Away didn't go for 50fps. If they did, it would look exactally the same as before, only taking advantage of the higher definition.
I wonder if we'll see the same on Neighbours, but I doubt it. Seeing as most of their audience is in the UK and the Emmerdale fiasco proved we dislike it on our soaps (none of the major soaps- or even continuing dramas- use it. The Bill, Casualty (they dried it but it got ditched quickly) & Holby don't have it, and MerseyBeat, while not continuing drama, dropped it last series. Hollyoaks, Doctors & Family Affairs do, but target audiences are different, and ratings are much lower) and obviously they don't want to alienate thier prime audience as has been said here many times, if the BBC stopped showing Neighbours, it would soon end in Oz.
james2001
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tvarksouthwest posted:
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On the other hand I always think that interlaced shooting makes soap drama look "realler" - as it is closer to how you see things in real life, and on the news etc.
I have always believed the exact reverse - untreated video makes you feel you are there amid the action. Filmic effect give an oppressive effect which is often unwarranted.
Actually, tvarksouthwest, you are both saying the same thing! Interlaced means non-filmic. Though technically it's the frame rate that makes the dfference between filmic & non-filmic. 50fps is non-filmic and while standard definition only offers interlaced video HDTV lets you shoot 50fps both interlaced & progressive (25fps is porgressive only). I'm not totally sure why the producers of Home & Away didn't go for 50fps. If they did, it would look exactally the same as before, only taking advantage of the higher definition.
I wonder if we'll see the same on Neighbours, but I doubt it. Seeing as most of their audience is in the UK and the Emmerdale fiasco proved we dislike it on our soaps (none of the major soaps- or even continuing dramas- use it. The Bill, Casualty (they dried it but it got ditched quickly) & Holby don't have it, and MerseyBeat, while not continuing drama, dropped it last series. Hollyoaks, Doctors & Family Affairs do, but target audiences are different, and ratings are much lower) and obviously they don't want to alienate thier prime audience as has been said here many times, if the BBC stopped showing Neighbours, it would soon end in Oz.
JA
Wasn't it only used for a one-off special on Emmerdale?
No, it was used on 7 episodes- 17-25 October 2002. Thoughonly in the UK, on TV3 in Ireland those 7 epsiodes went out normally, whicha menas both filmic and non-filmic tapes must have been produced to allow them to quickly swtch back if it didn't work out. At least we can do this bacause we zdd the filmic effectin post-production rather than shoot at 25fps. With Home & Away it's shot like that, and changing to 50fps would mean changing the whole production of the show.
I don't think there's much anyone can do about it now. It's been used for too long in Oz and even if people complain and something is done, it will take several months for us to see it here. The most I can see hapnning is the filmic look putting people off and five dropping H&A because of low ratings, which wouldn't change much in Oz (and even if the comaplints and low ratings over here did make a difference and five don't drop it, it would take so long for us to see it, the viewers will already have stopped watching). I don't think the UK audience means as much to H&A as it does to Neighbours
james2001
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noggin posted:
Flava posted:
Remember when they used it on Emmerdale? Lasted all of 5 minutes of course.
Wasn't it only used for a one-off special on Emmerdale?
No, it was used on 7 episodes- 17-25 October 2002. Thoughonly in the UK, on TV3 in Ireland those 7 epsiodes went out normally, whicha menas both filmic and non-filmic tapes must have been produced to allow them to quickly swtch back if it didn't work out. At least we can do this bacause we zdd the filmic effectin post-production rather than shoot at 25fps. With Home & Away it's shot like that, and changing to 50fps would mean changing the whole production of the show.
I don't think there's much anyone can do about it now. It's been used for too long in Oz and even if people complain and something is done, it will take several months for us to see it here. The most I can see hapnning is the filmic look putting people off and five dropping H&A because of low ratings, which wouldn't change much in Oz (and even if the comaplints and low ratings over here did make a difference and five don't drop it, it would take so long for us to see it, the viewers will already have stopped watching). I don't think the UK audience means as much to H&A as it does to Neighbours
SC
In my opinion, that storyline was one of H&A's best in recent years. And it's not over - her ghost returns to haunt the Bay again in a few months time on Five.
From what I've read in spoilers, some stories in Oz now seem to be very OTT, though in fairness I will wait and see how they play out.
And as yet, Neighbours has not fallen victim to the HDTV revolution, though perhaps it ineviditably will someday.
murf1000 posted:
The Angie Russell story line got home and away its highest ever ratings in oz last year, both soaps are currently enjoying good ratings there.
The new style credits with seven logo are on some of the home and away websites just do a home and away search on yahoo.
The new style credits with seven logo are on some of the home and away websites just do a home and away search on yahoo.
In my opinion, that storyline was one of H&A's best in recent years. And it's not over - her ghost returns to haunt the Bay again in a few months time on Five.
From what I've read in spoilers, some stories in Oz now seem to be very OTT, though in fairness I will wait and see how they play out.
And as yet, Neighbours has not fallen victim to the HDTV revolution, though perhaps it ineviditably will someday.