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(September 2018)

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BC
Blake Connolly Founding member
I remember when the pre-launch barker was on thinking "I suppose those are going to be the idents, then" about the clips featuring the colour bars made out of things like blocks or test tubes, and then of course when it launched those were nowhere to be seen and the idents were very different (and a bit American, I thought at the time).

Wondered whether they were just made for pre-launch or if there was a rethink about the branding somewhere along the way. The logo was a bit different very early on in the pre-launch 'retune your videos' campaign, as well.
JA
james-2001
The original logo which appeared on some of the retuning leaflets they send out and had on early test transmissions had two circles around the number 5.
VM
VMPhil
I think things like the colour bars and the logo were only initially intended to be used for pre-launch promotional material, in print form only I assume, but they liked it so much it was developed further into a proper identity. I think that's why the earlier materials have that different, rougher design of the circle logo.
JK
JKDerry
As Paul Merton put it "Channel 5, Britain's 5th most popular television channel" - poor Channel 5, it was a station that was not needed. Digital television was just a year off, and their whole package of news updates on the hour, movie every night at 9.00pm and their attempt at a nightly talk show, all back fired on them by 1999.

I remember the hope, the channel would be bright and fresh, sadly it was just totally unnecessary television. Imported American crap, second rate movies and terrible limited home produced shows.

I enjoyed the Jack Docherty Show, sadly Jack got lazy and lazy, to the point he only did two nights a week. He also took large weeks off. Guest hosts would do it, and it allowed Graham Norton to shine, indeed he outshone Jack which led to Channel 4 poaching him for their own talk show, and look how successful that has been for Graham.
IS
Inspector Sands
Were they not both inspired by the Canadian Citytv format?

Citytv was the inspiration for the previous attempt at channel 5. They advertised it the license originally in 1992 and there was only one bidder - led by Thames. However the ITC decided it wasn't viable and didn't give them the license.


Thames, under it's then owners, were part of the successful C5 bid years later which was for the national service we know now
PC
p_c_u_k
I enjoyed the Jack Docherty Show, sadly Jack got lazy and lazy, to the point he only did two nights a week. He also took large weeks off. Guest hosts would do it, and it allowed Graham Norton to shine, indeed he outshone Jack which led to Channel 4 poaching him for their own talk show, and look how successful that has been for Graham.


I don't think I'll ever forget the time Graham Norton won an award for a stint standing in for Jack Docherty over Jack Docherty himself, who was nominated for the same award.

Bless Jack, he was a BBC2 chat show host when Channel 5 needed a BBC1 one. A bit like Mark and Lard on Radio 1 breakfast.
DE88 and Hatton Cross gave kudos
SW
Steve Williams
I enjoyed the Jack Docherty Show, sadly Jack got lazy and lazy, to the point he only did two nights a week. He also took large weeks off. Guest hosts would do it, and it allowed Graham Norton to shine, indeed he outshone Jack which led to Channel 4 poaching him for their own talk show, and look how successful that has been for Graham.


It wasn't a case of Jack being "lazy", he did everything he was contracted to do, it was quite a relentless role. It only looked like he was never there because I think he saved up all his holiday and took it in one go, so he was absent for about seven weeks in the summer of 1997, but that's also because he was making his short-lived BBC sitcom The Creatives at the time (I remember the article in the short-lived The Box magazine about it when it started mentioning that).

Of course, you could argue that it was a mistake to do that because it meant Graham Norton did loads of shows and totally overshadowed him, but it's easy to say that in hindsight. It is sometimes the case that you can get overshadowed on your own show - Rob Brydon was a guest on the second series of Would I Lie To You, when Angus was still presenting it, and was so funny and worked so well with Lee and David that clearly they decided they wanted him on all the time, and got rid of Angus. Bob Monkhouse on The Golden Shot is a famous example - under original host Jackie Rae it was dying on its arse, and then Bob appeared as a guest and went down so well they immediately kicked Rae off it and got Bob in full time.

Bless Jack, he was a BBC2 chat show host when Channel 5 needed a BBC1 one. A bit like Mark and Lard on Radio 1 breakfast.


That's one way of looking at it, certainly. Of course later on they got Melinda Messenger to stand in for him and, funnily enough, a blonde saucepot was considered more appealing than a balding middle-aged bloke, so then he lost another night of his show for Melinda's Big Night In. Actually despite that being a pre-recorded weekly show, Melinda missed several episodes of that show and Gail Porter did it for a few weeks, because she was getting in the papers and becoming quite famous. Seemingly it was just an excuse to get her on the channel.

When it began Jack seemed quite hopeful about it, he said he didn't really mind who the guests were and "if you've been in Neighbours for one episode, that's OK, there'll still be funny things to talk about", and that he liked the idea that we could have a chat show like in America with a presenter doing it for years. But he said it wouldn't be him.

The decline of The Jack Docherty Show summed up quite a lot of C5's programming in those days, in that shows would seemingly never be axed, presumably as they'd been commissioned for X length of time, so they would just get increasingly infrequent and just wither away. So Jack went from five shows a week to four to three to two to one, and Exclusive moved from a daily show to a weekly show, and Mariella Frostrup's show would keep on being rebranded and shuffled around all over the place. Presumably they had to carry on in some form for contractual reasons, but it just looked bizarre.
DE
DE88
On the other hand, Family Affairs remained a five-nights-a-week soap right up until its demise at the end of 2005.

I doubt many remember the Good Afternoon strand, which featured the cheap-as-chips word game Cryptogram. Remarkably, there are two full editions on YouTube - although both were uploaded by contestants.


JM
JamesM0984
Family Affairs wasn't awful but it must have been expensive to make for the figures it got.
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
DE88 posted:
On the other hand, Family Affairs remained a five-nights-a-week soap right up until its demise at the end of 2005.

I doubt many remember the Good Afternoon strand, which featured the cheap-as-chips word game Cryptogram.


To be honest a lot of Channel 5 stuff was cheap-as-chips, not just the game shows.
WH
Whataday Founding member
Of course, you could argue that it was a mistake to do that because it meant Graham Norton did loads of shows and totally overshadowed him


That's an understatement. Graham actually won a British Comedy Award for hosting The Jack Docherty Show, with Jack nominated in the same category.
TY
Tony Yeboah
A Jack Docherty interview where he talks about his chat show was uploaded this week, funnily enough http://www.comedianscomedian.com/260-jack-docherty/

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