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Jonwo
French gameshows are basically like factories, they can record up to eight shows a day as they're commissioned all year round, although they don't produce 365 editions per year as they have breaks for summer sports events such as the French Open and the Tour de France.

Nagui, who's Air Productions (owned by Banijay) produce two of France 2's daily game show formats seem to use the same audience since the pandemic, presumably to stop adding extra people into the mix for filming.

Other Banijay productions on France 2 and 3 seem to use the same audience as well.


8 shows a day sounds gruelling, I think over here the maximum they film in a day for a gameshow is 4-5 a day.
SC
Si-Co
Jonwo posted:
Bruce Forsyth always said on Play Your Card Right about the audience for that episode being better than last week’s audience which was amusing because most of the time it was the same audience.


Those were all block recorded, so its perhaps hardly surprising it was the same audience (although you often had the other running joke, so much better than last year's audience at the start of a series). Bruce said years later they could knock the gameshows out pretty quickly and it would only take two weeks a series, but while it was good steady work (and we all loved him), I believe he later regretted being pigeon-holed as it were.

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I wonder how a gameshow can take 4 hours to record, I get it for sitcoms and panel shows and for complicated shows like The Cube but not for something like The Chase.


Only needs a computer to keel over and die/misbehave or another technical hitch and what needs to be 47 minutes of programming easily becomes 90 minutes of hanging around on top.


I remember during one of the early series of PYCR, the machine on the podium that displayed the score during the final round often didn’t work and Bruce mentioned this during the programme. I guess they decided to go ahead and film without the score being displayed to the audience/viewers rather than reschedule the recording.
LL
London Lite Founding member
Jonwo posted:
French gameshows are basically like factories, they can record up to eight shows a day as they're commissioned all year round, although they don't produce 365 editions per year as they have breaks for summer sports events such as the French Open and the Tour de France.

Nagui, who's Air Productions (owned by Banijay) produce two of France 2's daily game show formats seem to use the same audience since the pandemic, presumably to stop adding extra people into the mix for filming.

Other Banijay productions on France 2 and 3 seem to use the same audience as well.


8 shows a day sounds gruelling, I think over here the maximum they film in a day for a gameshow is 4-5 a day.


I read an interview with one of the former contestants of one of the game shows produced by Banijay and they said it was 8 shows a day, which is as much an endurance for the participants. Of those long-haul formats, they all have one thing in common which is they all have to stay winning to continue to participate.

But it does make them cheap to produce with the amount of episodes produced and it means that the presenter can then do a block of another game show and then return.
SW
Steve Williams
Those were all block recorded, so its perhaps hardly surprising it was the same audience (although you often had the other running joke, so much better than last year's audience at the start of a series). Bruce said years later they could knock the gameshows out pretty quickly and it would only take two weeks a series, but while it was good steady work (and we all loved him), I believe he later regretted being pigeon-holed as it were.


Yes, Brucie said he found the Gen Game was becoming a bit of a slog and on ITV he was given the "luxury", as he put it, of a fixed-format show where everything ran like clockwork and he would get the same amount of exposure for much less work. But I think he was disappointed that ITV didn't seem particularly interested in giving him anything else to do with all this spare time he had.

I know Brucie's last series of the Gen Game in 1994 didn't run entirely smoothly, as well as the week when he was ill and Jim Davidson stood in, there was also one week which was a compilation, with new links from Brucie, and I remember reading in the papers at the time that was a very last minute replacement for a proper episode which Brucie was too ill to do, and they were getting a bit concerned that he was getting so old and ill and on the brink of retirement. Of course, over a decade later he was working harder than ever.

I am pleased that when Brucie died, it was when he was as famous and popular as he'd ever been, and he was doing exactly what he loved to do on TV. He really went out on a high.

Wouldn't be suprised if it was screened alongside the filming of another episode. Would seem a lot of effort to get the cast and crew in just to perform that opening scene and a disapointment for the audience to only see that one scene actually performed and the rest on a screen.

I know in the 70s there's an episode of Dad's Army which was nearly all on location apart from one brief scene, and that's what they did.


Yeah, there's an episode of series 2 of Python which is pretty much entirely made up of sketches filmed on location, and the paperwork revealed that the brief studio sequences were recorded in the same session as another episode, it's a fairly standard procedure to make the most of studio time. Similarly the sketches for Christmas Night with the Stars would always be filmed alongside another episode.

Jonwo posted:
8 shows a day sounds gruelling, I think over here the maximum they film in a day for a gameshow is 4-5 a day.


In the One Day In The Life Of Television book from 1988, Richard Whiteley says they recorded seven episodes of Countdown that day, and they could have done more, but they ran out of contestants. He then went on to present that night's Calendar.

In his autobiography, Cheggers talks about filming Sky Star Search, the talent show that was famous for the low quality of its acts (as it was on five days a week, so pretty much anyone who wanted to get on got on), saying that they recorded it at LWT and they broke the record for the most television produced from that studio in a day, they recorded all five hour-long programmes for the week in a single session. Cheggers lavishes praise on the crew, and he says he prided himself on never having to stop the recording, they'd do it as-live and Cheggers would ad-lib or come up with bits of business to cover scene changes so they didn't have to stop. Obviously, such high intensity production didn't do much to showcase the "talent". That wasn't with an audience, mind, might have been a bit too much if it was.
BL
bluecortina
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Those were all block recorded, so its perhaps hardly surprising it was the same audience (although you often had the other running joke, so much better than last year's audience at the start of a series). Bruce said years later they could knock the gameshows out pretty quickly and it would only take two weeks a series, but while it was good steady work (and we all loved him), I believe he later regretted being pigeon-holed as it were.


Yes, Brucie said he found the Gen Game was becoming a bit of a slog and on ITV he was given the "luxury", as he put it, of a fixed-format show where everything ran like clockwork and he would get the same amount of exposure for much less work. But I think he was disappointed that ITV didn't seem particularly interested in giving him anything else to do with all this spare time he had.

I know Brucie's last series of the Gen Game in 1994 didn't run entirely smoothly, as well as the week when he was ill and Jim Davidson stood in, there was also one week which was a compilation, with new links from Brucie, and I remember reading in the papers at the time that was a very last minute replacement for a proper episode which Brucie was too ill to do, and they were getting a bit concerned that he was getting so old and ill and on the brink of retirement. Of course, over a decade later he was working harder than ever.

I am pleased that when Brucie died, it was when he was as famous and popular as he'd ever been, and he was doing exactly what he loved to do on TV. He really went out on a high.

Wouldn't be suprised if it was screened alongside the filming of another episode. Would seem a lot of effort to get the cast and crew in just to perform that opening scene and a disapointment for the audience to only see that one scene actually performed and the rest on a screen.

I know in the 70s there's an episode of Dad's Army which was nearly all on location apart from one brief scene, and that's what they did.


Yeah, there's an episode of series 2 of Python which is pretty much entirely made up of sketches filmed on location, and the paperwork revealed that the brief studio sequences were recorded in the same session as another episode, it's a fairly standard procedure to make the most of studio time. Similarly the sketches for Christmas Night with the Stars would always be filmed alongside another episode.

Jonwo posted:
8 shows a day sounds gruelling, I think over here the maximum they film in a day for a gameshow is 4-5 a day.


In the One Day In The Life Of Television book from 1988, Richard Whiteley says they recorded seven episodes of Countdown that day, and they could have done more, but they ran out of contestants. He then went on to present that night's Calendar.

In his autobiography, Cheggers talks about filming Sky Star Search, the talent show that was famous for the low quality of its acts (as it was on five days a week, so pretty much anyone who wanted to get on got on), saying that they recorded it at LWT and they broke the record for the most television produced from that studio in a day, they recorded all five hour-long programmes for the week in a single session. Cheggers lavishes praise on the crew, and he says he prided himself on never having to stop the recording, they'd do it as-live and Cheggers would ad-lib or come up with bits of business to cover scene changes so they didn't have to stop. Obviously, such high intensity production didn't do much to showcase the "talent". That wasn't with an audience, mind, might have been a bit too much if it was.


It did have an audience, and largely consisted of the artistes friends and family but you could get tickets if you wanted. I’m tempted to suggest the audience reactions were augmented shall we say, I will ask. Same for its doppelgänger - ‘Sale of the Century’ with Peter Marshall. SSS was legendary for the quality threshold of the acts, sometimes on a Saturday the building would sort of go quiet and you just knew people on duty were watching the show together with the production talkback. They were never cruel, but on occasion it reduced a grown man like me to tears (of laughter). It was a Reg Grundy production and cheap as chips was the byword hence why there was never a tape stop unless there was an absolute complete disaster.

I think Cheggers was not aware that the national Telethon came from the same studio and probably beat his show’s record for production hours in a day, but that would probably be nitpicking, so let’s let him keep his record. Nice bloke, very popular.
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Blake Connolly Founding member
When I was very young I applied for tickets a few times, I remember getting the big card tickets in the post with the LWT logo on them. I think the first one I went to was one of the ITV Telethons, I think 1990, I remember the excitement going into the studio (think it was around lunchtime on the second day) and seeing the set that I would have already seen on TV that morning and the evening before. The one thing I remember was a strong smell of aftershave and assuming it must be Michael Aspel's.

Obviously there were only certain shows that would allow children in the audience, so other ones I went to were a kid's Christmas special of Blind Date and the long-forgotten You've Been Framed spin-off Beadles Hotshots also at TLS, plus the even longer-forgotten BBC answer to Gladiators, Happy Families, which was made at, I think, probably Wembley Arena. That one in particular had a lot of waiting around which irritated everyone I'd dragged along, but I was happy enough watching the cameras and everything being set up.

I went on a couple of tours as a kid as well. I was very lucky to have a guided tour of TVC when I was about 6, I was already fascinated with TV at the time and a relative of someone my dad worked for worked there. I saw Smith and Jones filming something outside the front gates before I even went in, and later saw rehearsals for Tomorrow's World, The Two Ronnies and live Blue Peter, it was amazing. A few years later I also went to an open day at Elstree they were advertising on Newsroom South East as a sort of "it's your BBC so come and take a look" thing. Got to have a walk around Albert Square (and then just down the road to see Grange Hill) and they had a few of the stars there, my mum got a photo with Dot Cotton.

More recently I've been to quite a few, including QI, HIGNFY and The Last Leg at TLS, The IT Crowd and Would I Lie to You at Pinewood, Thronecast at Sky Studios (at some recordings you get a drink but at this we were fed as well, and then shown the episode before the recording), You Have Been Watching and Adam Buxton's Bug at Riverside, The Horne Section at the London Palladium and 10 O'Clock Live and Up the Women at TVC.

Also at TVC I went to a bit of David Walliams' 24 hour panel show thing for Comic Relief, which means I can say I've been present for an episode of Whose Line is it Anyway with Clive Anderson, Tony Slattery and Josie Lawrence. Mine was the penultimate audience group, arriving very early on (I think) a Sunday morning, so instead of arriving to the normal queue I just turned up an was ushered in and found a seat. When it was time for the final audience rotation, those of us who wanted to stay were put to one side in case there were spare seats left over. In the end there were enough for all of us (including ones that had stayed for the full 24 hours) and I remember when coming back in walking past Richard Curtis.

I've been to a couple of recordings of Taskmaster, which were great fun, one from the first series at the Clapham Grand and then a "taster night" for both the second and third series at Fountain where they did a run-through of an episode each for the two casts using tasks that weren't going to be used in the full series. Wish I can remember anything about the tasks!

The other one I've been to quite a few episodes of was TV Burp, at Teddington, TV Centre, and (I think??) TLS. Was really enjoyable because they'd go through the episode pretty quickly with as few pauses as possible. And then when doing the inevitable pickups at the end, Harry would do bits of his stand-up act in between if a laugh was needed going into the next line.
HC
Hatton Cross
Johnr posted:
In terms of something like Millionaire it is a very stop start recording, in particular straight after FFF they have to mic the contestant up then adjust the hotseat height and check the contestant is comfortable, then Jeremy has to record reading out the answers and the fastest contestant (who is now conveniently micced up Wink)

There is obviously a lot more 'waffle' recorded than you see on TV so they always have something to use in case a show is running short (and can be easily not included if it isn't!), then they usually get the warm up back out in between contestants whilst they reset everything

Add in the pickups, getting the entire audience in and seated then warmed up (and back out at the end of course!) and it is suddenly easier to appreciate how a 45 minute TV show can in reality be a 4 hour recording! I suspect things run much quicker at the moment without the audiences although there may be reduced crew to balance that out I guess


The Weakest Link (Celeb version) could be a right slog. Yes, the back and forth banter between Anne and the contestants was always fun, trying to guess which bit would make it through the edit, but contestants had to do the walk of shame twice. Once imediately after been told they were the weakest link - for the all set techocrane shot, and then again for the 'follow the PSC and his mate with the fill in light' for the close up. The mugging and playing to the camera for that shot took up a lot of time.

Then, voting pick-ups and reactions. They filmed between 4-8 minutes of those shots, during every voting round. Just seems to take for ages, and it didn't get shorter with any fewer of the contestants. Yes, they couldn't just record 10 minutes for the first voting and drop them in for the rest of the rounds, because that would screw up the two and three shots if they needed them - but some voting recording sequences seemed to take for ever to get down on tape/server space.
JA
james-2001
One of my teachers was on The Weakest Link back in 2001 and she told us about how it took hours to film. At least there wasn't the added complication of an audience on that one.

She was voted off in the penultimate round when she was the strongest link- which always seemed to happen, getting rid of the competition before the finale once the bank was as full as it was going to get.
HC
Hatton Cross
I hated that, when it was so obvious that the two weakest links, ganged up on the strongest link. I've always thought that to eliminate the last one from the show, for the only time in it, statistics should have been used to decide who to kick off.

The player who got questions wrong, and accumatively, lost the highest amount of money for the team, throughout the whole show, should have been given the boot.
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
I hated that, when it was so obvious that the two weakest links, ganged up on the strongest link. I've always thought that to eliminate the last one from the show, for the only time in it, statistics should have been used to decide who to kick off.

The player who got questions wrong, and accumatively, lost the highest amount of money for the team, throughout the whole show, should have been given the boot.


That's the game unfortunately. It'll be human nature to want to kick Fred off because he's a smart arse at that point. If there is £4k up for grabs off the back of a best of five shoot-out, your odds are better at winning it against somebody else who's as crap as you are than they would be if it were you vs Fred. Anybody would do the same - you know you've no chance against Fred so kick him off and battle it out with Daphne instead.

Of course its a moot format point, and I dare say there will be examples of people who travelled through the game, were the first weakest link and went on to win the damn thing by pulling their socks up.
LL
Larry the Loafer
Sounds positively wholesome compared to the backstabbing seen in Golden Balls.
NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
Well, yes, backstabbing on Golden Balls becomes full blown murder sometimes the higher the jackpot goes. I suspect that's why you quite often saw the "separate studios" thing for the reactions, since again if it was you you wouldn't want to be in the same room as somebody who's just pinched a fortune off you for picking a Steal ball, as rather than say well done you'd probably be seriously tempted to thump them instead.

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