'Haters of' Celebrity Big Brother and all reality TV??

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Well, reading your other post at least your not a fan of a certain Irish girl band!

I'm a huge Big Brother fan and think that the interaction on the show has been the best of the celebrity version this time. However, I think they've made mistakes with the structure of nominations and evictions this time around.

What I will completly agree with you on is celebrity reality shows. Celebrity Big Brother was a natural spin-off from the main series, which I do believe is one of the best produced shows on TV - but needs to realise airing the show 7 nights a weeks with numerous spin-offs doesn't help it! I'm a Celebrity is also a very good format but needs to air less often!

However, the success of these have led to many pointless shows which I refuse to watch. Hell's Kitchen and The Farm are the best examples - they both involved celebs for the sake of it and would have been far better seeing a group of wanabee chefs / city kids trying to get on with running a restaurent / farm.

Also, the voting out was completly pointless - the top chef / top farmer was chosen by popularity, not on skill.

Celebrity reality shows have also been spoiled by D-list celebs demanding six figure sums. The original Celebrity Big Brother housemates did it for free in aid of Comic Relief - and it shows.


Strictly Come Dancing isn't my kind of show - from what I've seen of it it's awful, mainly due to Bruce. However, it's success is leading to poor imitations - most notably Stars on Thin Ice, coming soon to ITV.

And as for the planned Celebrity Wrestling. The worst line up of celebs of all reality shows so far - and chances are it won't be who wins a wrestling bout to determine the "King or Queen of the ring" - but who the public vote.

That's one reason The Games is so good - it's all about the celebrities competing against themselves with their actual achievements, not popularity, determining the winner.

Sorry nothing personaly. But its not because of ''oh I don't like the choice of celbs" with me
I don't like reality TV. I don't like reality

Some of us still like scripted 'polticaly incorrect' TV

I cannot stand Reality TV, it is well past it's sell by date, many people admit to this, but then many people do watch. God knows how many times that people have said they "won't be watching this year's Big Brother" but yet they do for some strange reason. You can only blame Big Brother for the increase in Reality TV, the 1st BB was more of an experiment that was very interesting, something that hadn't been done before, it was just people being themselves, but the 1st BB had little Entertainment value to it, just the Friday night eviction.

Some clever dick obviously saw the power of it and recomissioned it, but gave it more of an Entertainment feel by showing it 24/7 and giving it spin off programmes and what have you. It also annoyingly gives other channels trends to do the same.

Hopefully there will be a point in the not too distant future where the ratings for such programmes will have died, that they won't have been recomissioned. (In a perfect world) It also annoys me for those people (well Jade Goody in particular) who make careers out of it, for doing nothing literally and manages to make it to the front of the papers and magazines every week, for being annoying.

If they did something really good you'd be forgiven, but all they have done is win some sh*t show by staying in a house for 12 weeks without being evicted. I'm not as arsed if people want their 15 minutes of fame, but it's beyond a joke that they're still doing f*ck all 3 years later!

The nature of television at the moment also explains the rise of reality TV.

Basically, shows like Big Brother and I'm a Celebrity may perform well for C4 and ITV1 - but they perform exceptionally well for E4 and ITV2. That's a key reason why the TV execs - and without Big Brother, E4 would not be viable.

Also - especially in the UK, reality TV offers value for money. It's not so much it's cheap to make - it's more the way it's scheduled.

Most UK dramas and comedies rarely run for more than eight episodes a series, while reality shows offer hours of programming per series.

There are many arguments - especially in the US - on how reality TV dominates the schedule and whether it is a symptom or a cause of the decline in the number of sitcoms and drama.

I do think drama isn't on the decline in the UK - there isn't an obvious fall in the number of series. However, sitcoms have largely disappeared - but this began long before Big Brother arrived.

This is why I have such a large DVD collection and moan when they don't release shows I want

I'm not a fan of all this reality TV either. The only one I can bear is I'm A Celebrity, for some reason, but the others I can take, or mostly, leave.

I wish TV executives could come up with more comedies and sitcoms like we had in the 1980s and 90s - Keeping Up Appearances, Seinfeld, Home Improvement, Golden Girls, 3rd Rock from the Sun, Frasier...the list is endless. They were far superior, and were shows you could watch over and over again, unlike reality TV.

Granted, alot of what you have said is very true, to summarise it is cheap and popular and brings in much needed revenue for some channels such as E4. It's just that IMO most of the reality TV we see isn't usually very high quality, you get an interesting Big Brother here and there, an entertaining I'm a Celeb.. but that's it, it's not stuff people are going to remember for years to come.

I can understand why broadcasters may want to do it once or twice, in ITV's case, do I'm a Celeb.. that costs next to nothing to make, gets huge ratings and alot of money, that is put back into ITV, but it annoys me when they instantly recomission it and they end up doing loads of them, which usually get worse as they are harder to beat their predacessors.

Such as Big Brother 6, how will it be more memorable than BB5, surely it can't get even more evil than what it was. I know Channel 4 has a contract with Endemol and AFAIK BB6 will be the last, unless they resign their deal, but I want BB6 to be the last before it gets too dire.

It has also changed people's opinions of some channels aswell, Channel 4 had a repuation of being very alternative, now when Summer arrives, people see it as Big Brother TV as it is on Morning, Noon and Night, which for an 'alternative' channel isn't right, yes it was the first channel to bring us this format, but it has now been done to death and I beg them to give it a rest.

AFAIK Reality TV isn't as popular with the elders amongst us, as the majority of it is aimed in the 16-34 group, many switching off these programmes due a lack of choice available, though I'm only 18 I feel the same, if I'm a Celeb... is on ITV for 2 weeks, I don't watch it, and I even don't touch ITV2 with a ten foot bargepole it annoys me that much.

Though I think we aren't as bad as the USA, as some channels have too much reality, such as Fox which they have admitted to. Many US Terrestrial channels are heading down the same pattern of having Reality programmes in Prime Time and when a new one does hit the screens, it usually tries to be worse as it's predacessors (such as Fox's "Who's Your Daddy?") The only US network that doesn't have much of a problem is NBC, as it still brings us it's traditional Thursday Night line up of popular comedy, and many would find it hard to name an NBC reality show.

Seeing all the sensationalist, sleaze-ridden nonsense on the front pages of the tabloids every time one of these 'Human Zoo TV' shows is on, makes me glad that I have 'brainy' channels like National Geographic with which to escape all this bawdy, sensationalist "Who will bonk who?" "Who will get their kit off first?" "Guess which one's the trans-sexual" "Who had a fist-fight with who?" "Who will brave having their head rammed into a tank of Black Widow Spiders?" tripe!

Why on EARTH do people tune in to this appalling intelligence-sapping muck? Isn't the living breathing planet around us (thank God for people like Michael Palin and David Attenborough to bring it to our attention) rich enough with mystery, wonder, variety and interesting tales of its own? As Alan Titchmarsh said once "Go on, get out there!"

The Big Brother website has over done it with the TalkTalk sponsorship!

The only 'reality' show I watch is Big Brother (although I did enjoy Fame Academy).

I think Big Bro appeals to the 'voyeur' in me, who would love to peep through the crack in the neighbours' curtains; hold a glass to the wall of the boss's office when a colleague is getting a bolloking or appraisal; and ask the postman if he has ever masturbated in front of a mirror.

If you know what I mean.