I wonder whats happened with the old baker street set. When I went on the tour a few times, the shop and house fronts doubled up as a mini museum and gift shops.
Also I remember there was a coronation street experience style thing, inside the viaduct area, which is now the medical centre i think...
I did say a few posts back that the old baker street set was demolished and the site is now corry's stage 2
the coronation street experience was inside what is now the medical centre / hospital set, this building also houses the pizza restaurant. the viaduct area is part of the stage 1 complex
I didn't know you could go up the betham tower, I'm waiting for it to appear in the background on corry
then the tour continued onto a studio, a mock up of granadaa tonight or something, but as i remember the set in their looked nothing like any granada tonight or reports set ever aaired :S
I knew it!, I told someone this the other day as I was about 8 at the time, think it was blue with a pink sofa in a l shape, and the person I was talking to said they knew nothing about it on the tour.
Was Alma's cafe part of the corrie set or a real cafe oustide the studios?
Alma's cafe set was just the interior, as was Rita's Kabin nextdoor untill they built the new set in 1990 and Rita moved into the present Kabin.
Alma sold to Roy who intern relocated to the present cafe in 1999 when the outdoor set was extended.
the did use parts of the outdoor set for alma's cafe such as the side of the rovers and at one time the front of number 6? (don't ask I don't get that one either)
I wonder whats happened with the old baker street set. When I went on the tour a few times, the shop and house fronts doubled up as a mini museum and gift shops.
Also I remember there was a coronation street experience style thing, inside the viaduct area, which is now the medical centre i think...
I did say a few posts back that the old baker street set was demolished and the site is now corry's stage 2
the coronation street experience was inside what is now the medical centre / hospital set, this building also houses the pizza restaurant. the viaduct area is part of the stage 1 complex
I didn't know you could go up the betham tower, I'm waiting for it to appear in the background on corry
I remember the Coronation Street experience in the medical centre building- which was the Graffiti Club at the time. I got my first Corrie video there in 1994 -it was the 1986 one with the Rovers Fire and Websters Wedding on it and introduced by Sally Whittaker. The second time I visited the set in 1997 I got a couple more Videos.
stevek posted:
Alma's cafe set was just the interior, as was Rita's Kabin nextdoor untill they built the new set in 1990 and Rita moved into the present Kabin.
Alma sold to Roy who intern relocated to the present cafe in 1999 when the outdoor set was extended.
the did use parts of the outdoor set for alma's cafe such as the side of the rovers and at one time the front of number 6? (don't ask I don't get that one either)
you could see the set of Alma's cafe on the tour
I remember they had a few replica sets on the studios tour, the websters being one of them along with Alma's cafe. They also had a replica set of This Morning although I knew that wasnt real as they made it in Liverpool at the time. And of course the Rovers Return, although that looks nothing like the real one.
On the DVD sets that have since been released they used the outside of the Cafe/Kabin on a late 1970s episode, it just looked like they used a street with several shops somewhere in the Manchester area. They very rarely showed the outside. it was better though when the Kabin and Cafe were half way down Rosamund Street - everything wasnt on top of each other like these days.
I was born in Denton (not the Insp Frost one) which was in Cheshire, which became Greater Manchester, but is now the unitary area of Tameside.
Salford was Lancashire, and I'm sure Manchester was Cheshire until the creation of Greater Manchester.
Denton is still infact within the County of Greater Manchester, it just has all local government matters dealt with by Tameside Metropolitan Borough Council (the ex-Metropolitan Districts are not officially Unitary Authorities as they existed before that concept was developed).
Manchester was, as has been said in the County of Lancashire until 1974 when the county of Greater Manchester was created.
As has been said, the "look" of Salford streets fitted the producers' requirements and was easy to get to (don't forget Quay Street is almost in Salford).
Spot on. Some things in metropolitan counties are still decided at "county level": Emergency services, civil planning and transport strategies. For other purposes the county councils of metropolitan counties were scrapped in 1986, and powers devolved to the metropolitan boroughs. Met counties still exist geographically/ceremonially, as well as legally.
This is why some atlases show met counties, while other maps (notably Ordnance Survey) regard the constituent met boroughs instead of the met counties as a whole-- regarding the met boroughs as de facto unitary authorities.
The Manchester conurbation was divided between Cheshire and Lancashire and a little bit of Yorkshire (West Riding)-- the River Mersey being the rough boundary between Lancs and Ches. The Wilson government of the 1960s recognised that Manchester and surrounding towns had grown/merged so much, it was acknowledged a county serving this area was needed-- just in the same way Lancashire was created out of Cheshire in the C12th!!
The report by Wilson's government called this new county Selnec (south-east Lancs/north-east Ches). Then Heath won the 1970 election, the local government changes were revised. In 1972 the name Greater Manchester was decided. 1st April 1974 it came into force.
In terms of pre-1974 boundaries, Gtr Manc is roughly:
>Stockport, Trafford (part) and Tameside from Cheshire.
>Manchester, Oldham, Trafford (part), Salford, Wigan, Bury , Rochdale and Bolton from Lancashire.
>Saddleworth from Yorkshire (it was decided that emergency services could get to Saddleworth better from Manchester than the other side of the Pennines in winter weather)
>The creation of Gtr Manc left an isolated piece of Cheshire around Tintwistle/northern Longdendale-- so this merged south into Derbyshire.
And it has remained thus ever since 1974. So the boundaries have only actually changed once since the 1960s.
BTW Warrington was split in two before 1974. North of Mersey was Lancs, south of the Mersey was in Cheshire. In 1974 the (Cheshire) Borough of Warrington was created so north Warrington and surrounding villages north of the Mersey transferred to Cheshire. Warrington Borough Council became a UA in 1998, but is still geographically/ceremonially in Cheshire.
The River Irwell, which runs alongside Granada's western perimeter (Water Street), is the boundary between City of Manchester and the City of Salford.
PS: Denton of Frost fame, is an amalgum of West Yorkshire towns (Leeds mostly-- made by YTV after all!!)
SELNEC was actually the name of the Passenger Transport Authority, the actual counties existed until 1974 as the passenger transport bounaries didn't match the conurbation boundaries. For example, the PTA boundary didn't include Wigan, but after 1974 it bacame part of the GMC and also part of the newly named GMPTE (replacing the PTA). Otherwise it explains the creation perfectly. As a mute point, it is impossible to actually move anywhere from Yorkshire - they are created from the three ridings, and although can be moved for admin purposes, it would take a royal bill to break up the three ridings. If you ask anyone from Saddleworth (and the northern parts of Oldham) where they are from and they will say Yorkshire.
I didn't know you could go up the betham tower, I'm waiting for it to appear in the background on corry
When the tower opened, BBC News filmed inside one of the exclusive penthouse apartments at the top. The showed you the view across to Snowdonia, Cheshire Plain, Greater Manchester-- then they zoomed in on "Britain's most famous street". It looked dead tiny from up top!
so can members of the public and nosey sods like me go up there and take pretty pictures of the view?, do they have an observation deck like the world trade centre towers (did)
I was born in Denton (not the Insp Frost one) which was in Cheshire, which became Greater Manchester, but is now the unitary area of Tameside.
Salford was Lancashire, and I'm sure Manchester was Cheshire until the creation of Greater Manchester.
Denton is still infact within the County of Greater Manchester, it just has all local government matters dealt with by Tameside Metropolitan Borough Council (the ex-Metropolitan Districts are not officially Unitary Authorities as they existed before that concept was developed).
Manchester was, as has been said in the County of Lancashire until 1974 when the county of Greater Manchester was created.
As has been said, the "look" of Salford streets fitted the producers' requirements and was easy to get to (don't forget Quay Street is almost in Salford).
Spot on. Some things in metropolitan counties are still decided at "county level": Emergency services, civil planning and transport strategies. For other purposes the county councils of metropolitan counties were scrapped in 1986, and powers devolved to the metropolitan boroughs. Met counties still exist geographically/ceremonially, as well as legally.
This is why some atlases show met counties, while other maps (notably Ordnance Survey) regard the constituent met boroughs instead of the met counties as a whole-- regarding the met boroughs as de facto unitary authorities.
The Manchester conurbation was divided between Cheshire and Lancashire and a little bit of Yorkshire (West Riding)-- the River Mersey being the rough boundary between Lancs and Ches. The Wilson government of the 1960s recognised that Manchester and surrounding towns had grown/merged so much, it was acknowledged a county serving this area was needed-- just in the same way Lancashire was created out of Cheshire in the C12th!!
The report by Wilson's government called this new county Selnec (south-east Lancs/north-east Ches). Then Heath won the 1970 election, the local government changes were revised. In 1972 the name Greater Manchester was decided. 1st April 1974 it came into force.
In terms of pre-1974 boundaries, Gtr Manc is roughly:
>Stockport, Trafford (part) and Tameside from Cheshire.
>Manchester, Oldham, Trafford (part), Salford, Wigan, Bury , Rochdale and Bolton from Lancashire.
>Saddleworth from Yorkshire (it was decided that emergency services could get to Saddleworth better from Manchester than the other side of the Pennines in winter weather)
>The creation of Gtr Manc left an isolated piece of Cheshire around Tintwistle/northern Longdendale-- so this merged south into Derbyshire.
And it has remained thus ever since 1974. So the boundaries have only actually changed once since the 1960s.
BTW Warrington was split in two before 1974. North of Mersey was Lancs, south of the Mersey was in Cheshire. In 1974 the (Cheshire) Borough of Warrington was created so north Warrington and surrounding villages north of the Mersey transferred to Cheshire. Warrington Borough Council became a UA in 1998, but is still geographically/ceremonially in Cheshire.
The River Irwell, which runs alongside Granada's western perimeter (Water Street), is the boundary between City of Manchester and the City of Salford.
PS: Denton of Frost fame, is an amalgum of West Yorkshire towns (Leeds mostly-- made by YTV after all!!)
SELNEC was actually the name of the Passenger Transport Authority, the actual counties existed until 1974 as the passenger transport bounaries didn't match the conurbation boundaries. For example, the PTA boundary didn't include Wigan, but after 1974 it bacame part of the GMC and also part of the newly named GMPTE (replacing the PTA). Otherwise it explains the creation perfectly. As a mute point, it is impossible to actually move anywhere from Yorkshire - they are created from the three ridings, and although can be moved for admin purposes, it would take a royal bill to break up the three ridings. If you ask anyone from Saddleworth (and the northern parts of Oldham) where they are from and they will say Yorkshire.
According to the Wikipedia article (and other articles), Selnec was to be the name given to Greater Manchester had the Harold Wilson government won the 1970 election. Its named survived as a transport body as you point out.
As for the three ridings: They were scrapped administratively by the Local Government Act 1972. I am sure they were also scrapped
ceremonially
by a 'royal bill' too, via the Lieutancy Act 1972 Act.
North Yorkshire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire and the East Riding are ceremonially counties, therefore have Lord-Lieutants (plus deputies) who are representives for
the Crown
in those areas! Ceremonially counties are for Queen, not for adminstration.
People (or more accurately sentimentalists, cricket fans or anachronists ) in Saddleworth can say they are from Yorkshire all they like .... Greater Manchester exists legally; as well ceremonially, geographically and administratively. It has done since 1974, so they should get over themselves!
don't think so, some old people in Barrow still say they're in Lancashire
When I lived in Stockport I referred to it as Cheshire because it was the postal address. It was a bit stupid to create Greater Manchester as a "ceremonial county" after they had spend 20+ years ignoring it as a postal county and abolished it as a political entity. Talk about back to front thinking - but typical of central goernment.
so can members of the public and nosey sods like me go up there and take pretty pictures of the view?, do they have an observation deck like the world trade centre towers (did)
There's the Cloud Bar at the Manchester Hilton where you can buy an incredibly expensive cocktail while you admire the view, but that's about it.
I was born in Denton (not the Insp Frost one) which was in Cheshire, which became Greater Manchester, but is now the unitary area of Tameside.
Salford was Lancashire, and I'm sure Manchester was Cheshire until the creation of Greater Manchester.
Denton is still infact within the County of Greater Manchester, it just has all local government matters dealt with by Tameside Metropolitan Borough Council (the ex-Metropolitan Districts are not officially Unitary Authorities as they existed before that concept was developed).
Manchester was, as has been said in the County of Lancashire until 1974 when the county of Greater Manchester was created.
As has been said, the "look" of Salford streets fitted the producers' requirements and was easy to get to (don't forget Quay Street is almost in Salford).
Spot on. Some things in metropolitan counties are still decided at "county level": Emergency services, civil planning and transport strategies. For other purposes the county councils of metropolitan counties were scrapped in 1986, and powers devolved to the metropolitan boroughs. Met counties still exist geographically/ceremonially, as well as legally.
This is why some atlases show met counties, while other maps (notably Ordnance Survey) regard the constituent met boroughs instead of the met counties as a whole-- regarding the met boroughs as de facto unitary authorities.
The Manchester conurbation was divided between Cheshire and Lancashire and a little bit of Yorkshire (West Riding)-- the River Mersey being the rough boundary between Lancs and Ches. The Wilson government of the 1960s recognised that Manchester and surrounding towns had grown/merged so much, it was acknowledged a county serving this area was needed-- just in the same way Lancashire was created out of Cheshire in the C12th!!
The report by Wilson's government called this new county Selnec (south-east Lancs/north-east Ches). Then Heath won the 1970 election, the local government changes were revised. In 1972 the name Greater Manchester was decided. 1st April 1974 it came into force.
In terms of pre-1974 boundaries, Gtr Manc is roughly:
>Stockport, Trafford (part) and Tameside from Cheshire.
>Manchester, Oldham, Trafford (part), Salford, Wigan, Bury , Rochdale and Bolton from Lancashire.
>Saddleworth from Yorkshire (it was decided that emergency services could get to Saddleworth better from Manchester than the other side of the Pennines in winter weather)
>The creation of Gtr Manc left an isolated piece of Cheshire around Tintwistle/northern Longdendale-- so this merged south into Derbyshire.
And it has remained thus ever since 1974. So the boundaries have only actually changed once since the 1960s.
BTW Warrington was split in two before 1974. North of Mersey was Lancs, south of the Mersey was in Cheshire. In 1974 the (Cheshire) Borough of Warrington was created so north Warrington and surrounding villages north of the Mersey transferred to Cheshire. Warrington Borough Council became a UA in 1998, but is still geographically/ceremonially in Cheshire.
The River Irwell, which runs alongside Granada's western perimeter (Water Street), is the boundary between City of Manchester and the City of Salford.
PS: Denton of Frost fame, is an amalgum of West Yorkshire towns (Leeds mostly-- made by YTV after all!!)
SELNEC was actually the name of the Passenger Transport Authority, the actual counties existed until 1974 as the passenger transport bounaries didn't match the conurbation boundaries. For example, the PTA boundary didn't include Wigan, but after 1974 it bacame part of the GMC and also part of the newly named GMPTE (replacing the PTA). Otherwise it explains the creation perfectly. As a mute point, it is impossible to actually move anywhere from Yorkshire - they are created from the three ridings, and although can be moved for admin purposes, it would take a royal bill to break up the three ridings. If you ask anyone from Saddleworth (and the northern parts of Oldham) where they are from and they will say Yorkshire.
According to the Wikipedia article (and other articles), Selnec was to be the name given to Greater Manchester had the Harold Wilson government won the 1970 election. Its named survived as a transport body as you point out.
As for the three ridings: They were scrapped administratively by the Local Government Act 1972. I am sure they were also scrapped
ceremonially
by a 'royal bill' too, via the Lieutancy Act 1972 Act.
North Yorkshire, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire and the East Riding are ceremonially counties, therefore have Lord-Lieutants (plus deputies) who are representives for
the Crown
in those areas! Ceremonially counties are for Queen, not for adminstration.
People (or more accurately sentimentalists, cricket fans or anachronists ) in Saddleworth can say they are from Yorkshire all they like .... Greater Manchester exists legally; as well ceremonially, geographically and administratively. It has done since 1974, so they should get over themselves!
Wikipedia is hardly accurate for these types of things! Having worked in the transport industry for over 20 years, some of which advising the former metropolitan counties that you mention, I have to disagree with your analysis!
PTA's were formed in 1969 to cover the areas of Tyneside, Manchester, West Midlands and Merseyside. Greater Glasgow followed in 1973 and then South and West Yorkshire in 1974. In effect the PTA's took over the planning of buses and road transport within their area, whilst the actual process of locla government was retained at the local levels.
In 1974 the role of PTA's changed, and their ability to plan road transportation was absolved to the local metropolitan County Council. The PTA's were replaced by PTE's whose sole responsibility was to plan and provide public transport facilities within their respective area (hence, Wigan, previously outside the boundary was incorporated into the PTE, being in GMC, whilst Alderley Edge was removed from PTE control as that remained in Cheshire).
As for the former metropolitan counties, each local council became unitary authorities, and henceforth in effect, became their own county council. Their is no sheriff for South Yorkshire etc. As for people getting 'over it', I am sure if you displaced wherever you live to some other place, you'd be a bit pissed off - so attributing that people should move loyalties on the whim of some civil servant is ridiculous.
) in Saddleworth can say they are from Yorkshire all they like .... Greater Manchester exists legally; as well ceremonially, geographically and administratively. It has done since 1974, so they should get over themselves! 