Granada logo in titles

IIRC Yorkshire still used their frontcap Regionally until 1989 or so, but I think they had a nack of attaching them to programmes after 1988, I've got the complete 'The New Statesman' on Network DVD and all of the second series, which was made in 1989 have the Liquid Gold ident frontcap on them, even though ITV didn't broadcast them.

The ITV companies who used animated idents at the end of programmes following the dropping of pre-programme idents at the beginning of 1987 were,

Central TV (1st to do so around October 1987 - Central had a superb head of presentation, Jim Stokoe)
Used on all network and local production - A "Central Presentation" version was used for imported, regional variations, eg Sons and Daughters

Anglia TV (A short time after Central - The two companies were very close at the time, and their programming was often very similar. I think that their head of presentation was called Vic Burtles (may be wrong), who got the idea from Central)
Seen on episodes of Highway, and a few dramas that they made for the network. As the ident only formed-up to read "Anglia", rather than "Anglia Production", it was usually preceeded by a full "Anglia Televison Production & Copyright Date" as the final still on the credits. The music used was a version that I have never since heard.

Scottish TV (1988)
A special version was produced specifically as an end-cap. If I recall, it did not form up, but had music, and movements of light and shadow across the ident.

Yorkshire TV (1989)
A special ident was used to celebrate the company's 21st Birthday. With different music, and notably poorer animation to the "Liquid Gold" ident, it was used for around 2 months.

TVS
The final episode of the comedy "That's Love" featured part of the spinning TVS logo, overlaid over the last few moments of the titles. (The flower/splash turned to reveal the TVS letters, with the blue background fading up behind.) However, when the series was repeated, this was replaced by the normal still.

Channel TV!!!
Channel used their animated CTV ident (introduced in the early 1990s as a moving endcap.) Although only on local programming, certainly Channel Report featured this circa 1992.

CITV programmes were the first to lose their pre-programme idents during 1986 - The example of the Granada logo looks like it has been overlayed on playout to the network from Manchester.

Certainly, the dropping of pre-programme idents came at a bad time for many of the ITV companies, who had invested heavily in CGI versions of long-standing idents. HTV suffered the worst, having introduced a new (and very good) ident in September 1986 - It got shown on the network just once!

The idents didn't get scrapped until 1st January 1988.

Central used their animated end ident from September 1988 until the end of August 1989.
Imported/Independently produced programmes ended with just "Central" rather than "Central Production" but not "Central Presentation" in this era, except perhaps during their through the night presentation, which was different, but certainly not as you mention above.

I have heard about the Anglia end ident many times, however never seen it, despite living in the dual area of both Anglia and Central at the time.

http://ben.jamin.me.uk/anglia.flv

There you go, not sure where I got that from originally though but someone kindly captured it.

Thats the one! Right version of the music. I've never seen that one since broadcast.

CITV programmes actually dropped the pre-programme regional idents way back in 1983, around about the time of the launch of Children's ITV.

Are you quite sure on that? I can recall a couple of programmes immediately, such as "On-Safari", "Chocky", all circa 1984/5, which were definitely transmitted with pre-programme idents?

Pretty sure - I never saw Chocky, but I too remember the TVS ident before On Safari. However that began in early 1982, a year before Children's ITV launched.

I have an old VHS tape recorded back in December 1983 with the titles of a kid's show called Alphabet Zoo on it, and that has the Granada 'G' astoned on the top corner.

I think many programmes were made complete with frontcaps before the decision not to show them was made, and so they were generally cut off in presentation. I remember quite often though, you'd hear the very end of the jingle fading out at the beginning of the programme, or sometimes even see a very brief glimpse of the ident.

This often happened with Blockbusters, as the Central logo used to fade slowly into the opening image of the world from space which was positioned to match. Very often, you'd still see the Central logo fading out at the start until they re-edited the titles without the frontcap.

Many title sequences had the company logo fading into them, and that certainly caused problems. Coronation Street was a prime example - The theme would start over the Granada (still) ident, and as it was produced some time ahead of transmission. well into March 1988, other regional companies would have to hold their local output (either there own ident, or in-vision continuity) and only fade to the network feed once the logo had gone.

As this was very much a lash-up, ends of idents would often appear on-screen.

There were actually one or two exceptions made for programmes which could not easily be shown without a front-cap. as they were an integral part of the titles - Yorkshire's monthly networked documentary "First Tuesday", had new titles when the "liquid gold" ident was introduced, and these animated directly from the "formed-up" version of the company's ident. As it was deemed unreasonable to expect YTV to make a new set of titles so quickly, it was given official sanction to be shown complete with ident.

As an aside, the "Liquid Gold" ident cost nearly £35,000 to produce- An absolutely huge sum of money then. The "molten liquid" effect had only just been perfected with computer graphics, and it really did set the standard for other companies to follow - Despite that, some felt that the technology started to dictate the look of the idents, with the latest CGI animation being incorporated simply because it could be, rather than should be. (Grampian's over-complex ident perhaps being an example)

Sorry (again), but that's not the case! Yes indeed, First Tuesday did get new titles when the liquid gold ident was introduced, but they didn't animate from the logo at all. The ident faded to black, then the titles began - five GCI "chrome" discs slid into view, joined up, spun around a bit and broke apart to make up the letters of the programme title (it was the 80s after all, and probably cutting edge stuff for its time)

However, the previous YTV ident was an integral part of the original First Tuesday titles - have a look here and scroll to about 45" in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyt6A1HDlU0

Apologies for the hole-picking, pretty much everything else you've said in your posts has been bang on

That is really frustrating me now - I was sure that it was "First Tuesday". 99% sure that it was a YTV programme that I remember - They seemed to be the contractor most likely to integrate their ident into title sequences.

No problem in you correcting me - Either it is a fact or it isn't!!!