MG
I think they could still have that competition within ITV if the Yorkshire base has to fight to get programmes picked up by the programmers and the same for the North West studios and London. And of course from the indies too.
The problem is it just seems network think of shows, then dish them out to the studios to make. There needs to be some in-house quailty control to get only the best on air. I don't know how they could do that with the current set up.
Well the footage I took of the inside and outside of ATV Centre in Birmingham (which is on You Tube) shows how the mighty ATV-Central has fallen. And I've said before, but I'll say it again - the Central staff there disliked Carlton with a passion.
I think Carlton's era was summed up when I went into the storage bay and discovered the skip full of Central photographs and awards. All dumped by Carlton - who simply didn't want to know anything of Central before they arrived.
Greg certainly knows ITV and television, I guess there isn't any role for him at ITV, but he really would also be good onboard somehow.
Daniel B posted:
I've seen Lee Bannister's comment that ITV should be more like ATV but sadly thanks to takeovers and Carlton, its successor Central who was one of the main powerhouses of ITV was taken over and almost stripped to death and became like Carlton.
.... I have seen your other videos of ATV MikeGNE, and I (and other forumers) find him very interesing but yet historical. Keep up the good work Mike.
.... I have seen your other videos of ATV MikeGNE, and I (and other forumers) find him very interesing but yet historical. Keep up the good work Mike.
I think they could still have that competition within ITV if the Yorkshire base has to fight to get programmes picked up by the programmers and the same for the North West studios and London. And of course from the indies too.
The problem is it just seems network think of shows, then dish them out to the studios to make. There needs to be some in-house quailty control to get only the best on air. I don't know how they could do that with the current set up.
Well the footage I took of the inside and outside of ATV Centre in Birmingham (which is on You Tube) shows how the mighty ATV-Central has fallen. And I've said before, but I'll say it again - the Central staff there disliked Carlton with a passion.
I think Carlton's era was summed up when I went into the storage bay and discovered the skip full of Central photographs and awards. All dumped by Carlton - who simply didn't want to know anything of Central before they arrived.
Hymagumba posted:
I love Charles Allen talking about how giving people more freedom, rather than less freedom is key.
Greg Dyke's premonition is correct though, and it's such a shame.
Greg Dyke's premonition is correct though, and it's such a shame.
Greg certainly knows ITV and television, I guess there isn't any role for him at ITV, but he really would also be good onboard somehow.
HA
harshy
Founding member
well ITV really is in a poor state, ok sure it's a business and it has to make profit, but remember after all this cost cutting exercise, ITV1 is not making a profit, and ditching regional identity after years of building them up has been a disaster, there is no way in the world ITV1 will be remembered in 20 years time, maybe by that time ITV will be wiped off the map.
Also the fact that is there is no diversity in the programming, we are up to our necks with soaps, no innovation, creativity, ITV1 is now fast becoming a joke.
Also the fact that is there is no diversity in the programming, we are up to our necks with soaps, no innovation, creativity, ITV1 is now fast becoming a joke.
MG
I think the problem with the soaps is mainly we are seeing too many episodes of the same two soaps.
In the 1960s, 70s and 80s ITV always used soap opera to build its audience, they just pulled in viewers - and somewhat still do although its the ones that have been around years that seem to only manage the pulling power on masse these days.
But in the 1960s and 70s certainly ITV had many more soaps, but episodes only airing two or three times a week.
In one week during the 1970s you would have Emmerdale Farm and General Hospital (two episodes each) in the afternoons.
Crossroads was on at 6pm / 6.30pm four days a week, and then Corrie twice a week in primetime. So there has always been room for plenty of soap - just not all in primetime, and not six episodes from one serial - which is just overload.
In the 1960s, 70s and 80s ITV always used soap opera to build its audience, they just pulled in viewers - and somewhat still do although its the ones that have been around years that seem to only manage the pulling power on masse these days.
But in the 1960s and 70s certainly ITV had many more soaps, but episodes only airing two or three times a week.
In one week during the 1970s you would have Emmerdale Farm and General Hospital (two episodes each) in the afternoons.
Crossroads was on at 6pm / 6.30pm four days a week, and then Corrie twice a week in primetime. So there has always been room for plenty of soap - just not all in primetime, and not six episodes from one serial - which is just overload.
RJ
ITV is pretty dire at the moment...and the lack of regional identity doesn't help. But that identity was firmly grounded in local programmes, not just news. Even the smallest local ITV company produced a wide range of programmes purely for local consumption. OK, it was partly because they were obliged to under the terms of their franchise, but also because they were proud to reflect their area. Border, for instance, had local entertainment, chat shows, documentaries, children's programming, quizzes etc. And, in the early days, a lot of this was transmitted in peak viewing time. Look at ITV schedules from the 60s and 70s and see how network programmes were interspersed with local programmes across the schedule and not, as they are now, almost wall-to-wall. But we're living in a very different age, more's the pity.
IS
I think it should be across the entire broadcasting format. If people want a world of rubbish upon rubbish, then we can just pump out as many junk filled channels as possble - less is more!
If we're comparing to shops, then basically what we will end up with is a load of Nettos or Lidls of television, as there won't be the money for the M&S, Harvey Nicks or Harrods of broadcasting anymore.
There will, M&S, Harvey Nicks and Harrods are all still in business despite Netto and Lidl coming onto the scene. Let market forces sort out TV channels - the good ones will continue and proper, the ones that aren't so good will go away by themselves. In the case of satellite there is no shortage of capacity, the exsistance of Babecast TV doesn't deny the presence of More4
MikeGNE posted:
I think it should be across the entire broadcasting format. If people want a world of rubbish upon rubbish, then we can just pump out as many junk filled channels as possble - less is more!
If we're comparing to shops, then basically what we will end up with is a load of Nettos or Lidls of television, as there won't be the money for the M&S, Harvey Nicks or Harrods of broadcasting anymore.
There will, M&S, Harvey Nicks and Harrods are all still in business despite Netto and Lidl coming onto the scene. Let market forces sort out TV channels - the good ones will continue and proper, the ones that aren't so good will go away by themselves. In the case of satellite there is no shortage of capacity, the exsistance of Babecast TV doesn't deny the presence of More4
IS
But we do know that the internet, and digital TV are never going to be un-invented, the thing that made ITV was that it had a monopoly on TV advertising and a duopoly on viewers. That will never be the case again
Daniel B posted:
Whoever says 'ITV won't be its former self again' may be wrong because they don't know what will happen in the future for ITV.
But we do know that the internet, and digital TV are never going to be un-invented, the thing that made ITV was that it had a monopoly on TV advertising and a duopoly on viewers. That will never be the case again
IS
WHSmith have "quality control" in their retail arm however. Although they stock a vast array of magazines, they don't stock everything, and specialist tripe has to be ordered in.
Something similar could occur with the EPG, only quality gets good numbers, whereas the dross is shoved down into four digits, or a separate menu, or even having to tune it manually.
Actually, I was just thinking that too, WHSmith actually have refused to stock some DVDs in store, and sell what they deem not good enough for shelf space simply only online. So I think there is a need for something to stem the decline across all television channels of viewing figures, or we will end up with nothing but terrible television.
I was specifically talking about WH Smiths DISTRIBUTION business - it is similar to Sky Digital as it carries all newspapers and magazines to virtually all shops (not just branches of Smiths).
Magazines are just the same as TV channels there is plenty of room for everyone who wants to and can run a magazine to do so. Good ones will be bought and survive, bad ones won't and eventually go out of business. And that's exactly the same principle with tv channels.
You don't want Sky or Ofcom determining which TV stations are worthy of being broadcast just in the same way that you don't want WH Smiths or something like the IPCC deciding which newspapers can exsist.
MikeGNE posted:
Hymagumba posted:
Inspector Sands posted:
Do you want WH Smith to introduce 'quality control' to its distribution arm because there are too many newspapers and magazines? It's the same principle
WHSmith have "quality control" in their retail arm however. Although they stock a vast array of magazines, they don't stock everything, and specialist tripe has to be ordered in.
Something similar could occur with the EPG, only quality gets good numbers, whereas the dross is shoved down into four digits, or a separate menu, or even having to tune it manually.
Actually, I was just thinking that too, WHSmith actually have refused to stock some DVDs in store, and sell what they deem not good enough for shelf space simply only online. So I think there is a need for something to stem the decline across all television channels of viewing figures, or we will end up with nothing but terrible television.
I was specifically talking about WH Smiths DISTRIBUTION business - it is similar to Sky Digital as it carries all newspapers and magazines to virtually all shops (not just branches of Smiths).
Magazines are just the same as TV channels there is plenty of room for everyone who wants to and can run a magazine to do so. Good ones will be bought and survive, bad ones won't and eventually go out of business. And that's exactly the same principle with tv channels.
You don't want Sky or Ofcom determining which TV stations are worthy of being broadcast just in the same way that you don't want WH Smiths or something like the IPCC deciding which newspapers can exsist.
PE
I wasn't suggesting that Sky don't broadcast them. I was suggesting that they don't give them the good EPG numbers if they're crud.
The EPG is WHS Retail, to the platform of "Smiths News"
Pete
Founding member
Inspector Sands posted:
I was specifically talking about WH Smiths DISTRIBUTION business - it is similar to Sky Digital as it carries all newspapers and magazines to virtually all shops (not just branches of Smiths).
Magazines are just the same as TV channels there is plenty of room for everyone who wants to and can run a magazine to do so. Good ones will be bought and survive, bad ones won't and eventually go out of business. And that's exactly the same principle with tv channels.
You don't want Sky or Ofcom determining which TV stations are worthy of being broadcast just in the same way that you don't want WH Smiths or something like the IPCC deciding which newspapers can exsist.
Magazines are just the same as TV channels there is plenty of room for everyone who wants to and can run a magazine to do so. Good ones will be bought and survive, bad ones won't and eventually go out of business. And that's exactly the same principle with tv channels.
You don't want Sky or Ofcom determining which TV stations are worthy of being broadcast just in the same way that you don't want WH Smiths or something like the IPCC deciding which newspapers can exsist.
I wasn't suggesting that Sky don't broadcast them. I was suggesting that they don't give them the good EPG numbers if they're crud.
The EPG is WHS Retail, to the platform of "Smiths News"
IS
I wasn't suggesting that Sky don't broadcast them. I was suggesting that they don't give them the good EPG numbers if they're crud.
But who is to say that they're 'crud'
Imagine that you've invested your hard earnt money in a brand new channel called Hymagumba TV. You're very proud of your channel and consider it to be a quality channel..... and then some pen-pusher comes along and shoves it into the back waters where no-one will watch it.
You see teh problem with having a gatekeeper for 'crud'
Hymagumba posted:
I wasn't suggesting that Sky don't broadcast them. I was suggesting that they don't give them the good EPG numbers if they're crud.
But who is to say that they're 'crud'
Imagine that you've invested your hard earnt money in a brand new channel called Hymagumba TV. You're very proud of your channel and consider it to be a quality channel..... and then some pen-pusher comes along and shoves it into the back waters where no-one will watch it.
You see teh problem with having a gatekeeper for 'crud'
GS
I wasn't suggesting that Sky don't broadcast them. I was suggesting that they don't give them the good EPG numbers if they're crud.
But who is to say that they're 'crud'
Imagine that you've invested your hard earnt money in a brand new channel called Hymagumba TV. You're very proud of your channel and consider it to be a quality channel..... and then some pen-pusher comes along and shoves it into the back waters where no-one will watch it.
You see teh problem with having a gatekeeper for 'crud'
I wish to subscribe to this "Hymagumba TV", and I'll take the +1 version just in case I miss anything fabulous.
Gavin Scott
Founding member
Inspector Sands posted:
Hymagumba posted:
I wasn't suggesting that Sky don't broadcast them. I was suggesting that they don't give them the good EPG numbers if they're crud.
But who is to say that they're 'crud'
Imagine that you've invested your hard earnt money in a brand new channel called Hymagumba TV. You're very proud of your channel and consider it to be a quality channel..... and then some pen-pusher comes along and shoves it into the back waters where no-one will watch it.
You see teh problem with having a gatekeeper for 'crud'
I wish to subscribe to this "Hymagumba TV", and I'll take the +1 version just in case I miss anything fabulous.