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BlackCat
Founding member
If anyone was in any doubt as to why there will only be Leeds, London and Manchester versions of the new production caption, this PDF presentation from ITV plc should set you straight. Basically, it outlines ITV's future plans for its production studios:
2003
Birmingham (Central)
Bristol (HTV West)
Leeds (Yorkshire)
London (Carlton/LWT)
Manchester (Granada)
Newcastle (Tyne Tees)
Nottingham (Central)
Norwich (Anglia)
Southampton (Meridian)
2005
Bristol (HTV West)
Leeds (Yorkshire)
London (Carlton/LWT)
Manchester (Granada)
Norwich (Anglia)
By the end of the decade
Leeds (Yorkshire)
London (Carlton/LWT)
Manchester (Granada)
Yes, there are still more than those 3 studios on operation at the moment, but can anyone think of anything other than Trisha that comes from them? Well, there are probably a few things, but those "straggler" programmes will probably just have a generic "A Granada Production" caption on them, without any studio name.
2003
Birmingham (Central)
Bristol (HTV West)
Leeds (Yorkshire)
London (Carlton/LWT)
Manchester (Granada)
Newcastle (Tyne Tees)
Nottingham (Central)
Norwich (Anglia)
Southampton (Meridian)
2005
Bristol (HTV West)
Leeds (Yorkshire)
London (Carlton/LWT)
Manchester (Granada)
Norwich (Anglia)
By the end of the decade
Leeds (Yorkshire)
London (Carlton/LWT)
Manchester (Granada)
Yes, there are still more than those 3 studios on operation at the moment, but can anyone think of anything other than Trisha that comes from them? Well, there are probably a few things, but those "straggler" programmes will probably just have a generic "A Granada Production" caption on them, without any studio name.
SP
I'd be interested to see if the rules on the plain backgrounds for end-credits change. The design of the background is taken from the current 'glassy' look of the ITV1 logo which appears to be about to be ditched. Let's hope we get to see something a bit more creative over the credits rather than the drab look we have at the moment.
tesandco posted:
Animated? 
Perhaps this means there's going to be a change to the ITV Credit Rules then. Actually, probably not. Everyone else will probably still be told they can't use animated endcaps on their productions! 
Perhaps this means there's going to be a change to the ITV Credit Rules then. Actually, probably not. Everyone else will probably still be told they can't use animated endcaps on their productions!
I'd be interested to see if the rules on the plain backgrounds for end-credits change. The design of the background is taken from the current 'glassy' look of the ITV1 logo which appears to be about to be ditched. Let's hope we get to see something a bit more creative over the credits rather than the drab look we have at the moment.
ST
Have now seen the new "Granada Production" Endcaps, although I noticed after Emmerdale it said "Granada Yorkshire" not the previously stated "Granada Leeds". Looked OK though....I guite liked it - and it's nice that it's animated too.
Anyone else got any thoughts on the new ones from today?
Spencer For Hire posted:
I'm surprised no-one's yet mentioned what I thought was the most unusual thing about this new endcap... it was animated! Quite a departure for ITV presentation (well, since 1989 anyway)... and a first for Granada.
Have now seen the new "Granada Production" Endcaps, although I noticed after Emmerdale it said "Granada Yorkshire" not the previously stated "Granada Leeds". Looked OK though....I guite liked it - and it's nice that it's animated too.
Anyone else got any thoughts on the new ones from today?
CW
It would still have happened. ITV didn't go down the route it has now before because it was stopped from doing so. On the ground level, local stations might have been staffed by people passionate about providing a regional service (and many still are - Tyne Tees, Westcountry etc), but ITV was saved from itself by preventing the bean counters from becoming the controlling force in the network and ensuring that the creative people stayed in control. Deregulating ITV in the 1970's would have been no different - it just would have ended up in the state it is today 20 years sooner.
I don't think it was at all clear in 1993 that ITV would come down to Carlton and Granada, we could easily have seen a Central and LWT duopoly and their names would both have been viewed in presentation circles with the same mud that Carlton and Granada are now. If Thames had stayed on, things would have been no different.r
Pearson lost interest in the Thames brand by the late 90's and were killing them off. Indeed, they very nearly did - in 2001 Thames programmes were being credited to 'Pearson Television Productions' and there were plans on the way to use the Pearson brand in the UK instead of Thames for some things and Grundy for others. When Fremantle moved in, they decided to refocus Thames as their main production brand, hence non-Australian Grundy productions have become virtually non existant, whilst the Thames brand has made a comeback.
If Pearson was still in charge, Thames would doubtless have died out by 2002.
Until when 'direct access' was first introduced, all programmes on the network had to come from an ITV network franchisee. Thus, on paper, anything made by an independent producer had to be comissioned by an existing ITV franchisee, which then 'presented' it to the network (this kind of still exists in a watered down form today, with a 'compliance licencee' still being required to watch over the independent producer).
Until 1998, this has to be noted on screen through double endcapping of independent programmes. From 1993, this of course happened to everything from Thames.
The strangest example of this would be when Granada spun the LWT studios operation out. All LWT programmes were now technically separate from the ITV network, hence for a while they were double endcapped; firstly the silver 'LWT Productions' endcap was shown, followed by 'An LWT Presentation for ITV'.
Although they did very soon after. Rather ironically, for the name that they became, pretty much the only presence Carlton had on the network in the early days was to 'present' programmes made by their predecessor!
cwathen
Founding member
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I bet Thames aren't really that bitter about not been part of ITV anymore considering they will be the only ITV region (former or present) to remain on screen.
But would this have all happened if Thames had remained on screen??? Your thoughts please
But would this have all happened if Thames had remained on screen??? Your thoughts please
It would still have happened. ITV didn't go down the route it has now before because it was stopped from doing so. On the ground level, local stations might have been staffed by people passionate about providing a regional service (and many still are - Tyne Tees, Westcountry etc), but ITV was saved from itself by preventing the bean counters from becoming the controlling force in the network and ensuring that the creative people stayed in control. Deregulating ITV in the 1970's would have been no different - it just would have ended up in the state it is today 20 years sooner.
I don't think it was at all clear in 1993 that ITV would come down to Carlton and Granada, we could easily have seen a Central and LWT duopoly and their names would both have been viewed in presentation circles with the same mud that Carlton and Granada are now. If Thames had stayed on, things would have been no different.r
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I think Peason may have left them alone as well, didn't they by Thames to stop them dissapearing like TVAM, TSW & TVS ?
Pearson lost interest in the Thames brand by the late 90's and were killing them off. Indeed, they very nearly did - in 2001 Thames programmes were being credited to 'Pearson Television Productions' and there were plans on the way to use the Pearson brand in the UK instead of Thames for some things and Grundy for others. When Fremantle moved in, they decided to refocus Thames as their main production brand, hence non-Australian Grundy productions have become virtually non existant, whilst the Thames brand has made a comeback.
If Pearson was still in charge, Thames would doubtless have died out by 2002.
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I remember in 1993 when The Bill would end and it was say a Central programme or a Yorkshire programme for ITV. The same for Mr Bean but we all knew it was Thames that did the show.
Until when 'direct access' was first introduced, all programmes on the network had to come from an ITV network franchisee. Thus, on paper, anything made by an independent producer had to be comissioned by an existing ITV franchisee, which then 'presented' it to the network (this kind of still exists in a watered down form today, with a 'compliance licencee' still being required to watch over the independent producer).
Until 1998, this has to be noted on screen through double endcapping of independent programmes. From 1993, this of course happened to everything from Thames.
The strangest example of this would be when Granada spun the LWT studios operation out. All LWT programmes were now technically separate from the ITV network, hence for a while they were double endcapped; firstly the silver 'LWT Productions' endcap was shown, followed by 'An LWT Presentation for ITV'.
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And Thames were not prepared to have The Bill shown as a Carlton Presentation.
Although they did very soon after. Rather ironically, for the name that they became, pretty much the only presence Carlton had on the network in the early days was to 'present' programmes made by their predecessor!
