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The new Granada production endcap was meant to be shown on 1st November and not earlier.
It probably was an accident, pressed the wrong button or something.
BBCNicky@Yorks posted:
If the new "G" endcaps (presumably in the style of the new Granada Ventures logo) have already appeared, then why has Ant and Dec's Saturday Night Takeaway still got the old generic "A GR/N/D/ Production" purple endcap?
The new Granada production endcap was meant to be shown on 1st November and not earlier.
Blackcat posted:
I have a feeling that the one used on the end of Coronation Street was an "accident", if you know what I mean.
It probably was an accident, pressed the wrong button or something.
JO
The last traces of LWT are now dissapearing
I bet Thames aren't really that bitter about not been part of ITV anymore considering they will be the only ITV region (former or present) to remain on screen.
But would this have all happened if Thames had remained on screen??? Your thoughts please
I bet Thames aren't really that bitter about not been part of ITV anymore considering they will be the only ITV region (former or present) to remain on screen.
But would this have all happened if Thames had remained on screen??? Your thoughts please
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If Thames was still the London Franchise by 1993 and onwards then Thames might have not bought Central, and Westcountry and Granada may still have HTV. And if Granada and Thames didn't get on well then ON/ITV digital may have never happened. Evenmore so ITV2 may have never happened and we probably have ITV and not ITV1.
But some strange things happen in the future, so my guess is as good as anyone's.
Johnny83 posted:
But would this have all happened if Thames had remained on screen???
If Thames was still the London Franchise by 1993 and onwards then Thames might have not bought Central, and Westcountry and Granada may still have HTV. And if Granada and Thames didn't get on well then ON/ITV digital may have never happened. Evenmore so ITV2 may have never happened and we probably have ITV and not ITV1.
But some strange things happen in the future, so my guess is as good as anyone's.
RU
russnet
Founding member
Would Thames be happy/sad about what's happening on ITV Today. To be honest, the life and soul behind Thames towards the end of it's franchise under the guise of Richard Dunn sadly died in the mid 90's. Thames was vulnerable at the time as well with it's shareholders within. In the mid 80's, Carlton tried to takeover Thames but was blocked by the IBA. With the legistaion of the 1990 Broadcasting Act, if Carlton failed to get a licence. Who knows if they would have tried to take over Thames in the 90's.
It is quite apparent that Carlton went for the London region but don't forget they also applied for the TVS region on the basis that would get a runner up prize should London be unsuccessful. If Thames was successful in the 1991 franchise round then I think Thames would have gone down the road of cost cutting and a possible merge with either Granada or Central would have gone the course.
There was talk that Central would be a big player in the ITV network as they only bidded £2000 in the 1991 franchise round and there was talk at the time they would merge with other ITV regions in their favour but with Carlton on the block and already having a 20% share in Central, the rest as they say was history.
It is quite apparent that Carlton went for the London region but don't forget they also applied for the TVS region on the basis that would get a runner up prize should London be unsuccessful. If Thames was successful in the 1991 franchise round then I think Thames would have gone down the road of cost cutting and a possible merge with either Granada or Central would have gone the course.
There was talk that Central would be a big player in the ITV network as they only bidded £2000 in the 1991 franchise round and there was talk at the time they would merge with other ITV regions in their favour but with Carlton on the block and already having a 20% share in Central, the rest as they say was history.
JO
If Thames was still the London Franchise by 1993 and onwards then Thames might have not bought Central, and Westcountry and Granada may still have HTV. And if Granada and Thames didn't get on well then ON/ITV digital may have never happened. Evenmore so ITV2 may have never happened and we probably have ITV and not ITV1.
But some strange things happen in the future, so my guess is as good as anyone's.
I heard that Thames & LWT didn't get on that well together & that Carlton & LWT got on better with each other is this true.
Also IMO Thames is DEFINATELY not the company it used to be with only THE BILL remaining from their ITV days (Wish You Were Here & This Is Your Life have since bit the dust this year!)
tv_mad10 posted:
Johnny83 posted:
But would this have all happened if Thames had remained on screen???
If Thames was still the London Franchise by 1993 and onwards then Thames might have not bought Central, and Westcountry and Granada may still have HTV. And if Granada and Thames didn't get on well then ON/ITV digital may have never happened. Evenmore so ITV2 may have never happened and we probably have ITV and not ITV1.
But some strange things happen in the future, so my guess is as good as anyone's.
I heard that Thames & LWT didn't get on that well together & that Carlton & LWT got on better with each other is this true.
Also IMO Thames is DEFINATELY not the company it used to be with only THE BILL remaining from their ITV days (Wish You Were Here & This Is Your Life have since bit the dust this year!)
RU
ITV1 was a branding exercise and a namechange taken in August 2001, ITV2 had already been on the air for just under 3 years prior to the name change. I think the spiel at the time was to make it sound like a family of channels.
This will test my memory. I can't remember if it was Meridian who bought Anglia or the other round way but ultimately they joined forces and bought HTV. Granada came on the scene and decided they wanted the three but were not allowed due to the unfair competition and monopoly so they were allowed to have part of the three so HTV was dropped from the equation and Carlton snapped HTV up.
Your assuming Thames would have taken Carlton's role on by snapping up Westcountry and Central. Who knows, your guess is as good as mine but the likes of Ondigital and the spin off from that was a product from Granada / Carlton and probably looking back on hindsight was probably Granada's doing and this led a big financial mess which is probably why the stations it took over went on a cost drive exercise to make them non existant and led to the mess ITV is now in terms of it's regionality
russnet
Founding member
tv_mad10 posted:
If Thames was still the London Franchise by 1993 and onwards then Thames might have not bought Central, and Westcountry and Granada may still have HTV. And if Granada and Thames didn't get on well then ON/ITV digital may have never happened. Evenmore so ITV2 may have never happened and we probably have ITV and not ITV1.
But some strange things happen in the future, so my guess is as good as anyone's.
But some strange things happen in the future, so my guess is as good as anyone's.
ITV1 was a branding exercise and a namechange taken in August 2001, ITV2 had already been on the air for just under 3 years prior to the name change. I think the spiel at the time was to make it sound like a family of channels.
This will test my memory. I can't remember if it was Meridian who bought Anglia or the other round way but ultimately they joined forces and bought HTV. Granada came on the scene and decided they wanted the three but were not allowed due to the unfair competition and monopoly so they were allowed to have part of the three so HTV was dropped from the equation and Carlton snapped HTV up.
Your assuming Thames would have taken Carlton's role on by snapping up Westcountry and Central. Who knows, your guess is as good as mine but the likes of Ondigital and the spin off from that was a product from Granada / Carlton and probably looking back on hindsight was probably Granada's doing and this led a big financial mess which is probably why the stations it took over went on a cost drive exercise to make them non existant and led to the mess ITV is now in terms of it's regionality
RU
I would have thought saw with regards to Carlton and LWT as they joined forces to make news for the region. With was in LWT's favour as their local news was non existant until 1988 when they did their own news instead of pandering to Thames
Thames and Carlton was very bitter. Carlton was not allowed to advertise it's new station until the very end of Thames run until they coughed up a bit more money to Thames. Before that, they had to result to advertising on LWT to gain public interest.
russnet
Founding member
Johnny83 posted:
I heard that Thames & LWT didn't get on that well together & that Carlton & LWT got on better with each other is this true.
I would have thought saw with regards to Carlton and LWT as they joined forces to make news for the region. With was in LWT's favour as their local news was non existant until 1988 when they did their own news instead of pandering to Thames
Thames and Carlton was very bitter. Carlton was not allowed to advertise it's new station until the very end of Thames run until they coughed up a bit more money to Thames. Before that, they had to result to advertising on LWT to gain public interest.
TV
ITV1 was a branding exercise and a namechange taken in August 2001, ITV2 had already been on the air for just under 3 years prior to the name change. I think the spiel at the time was to make it sound like a family of channels.
This will test my memory. I can't remember if it was Meridian who bought Anglia or the other round way but ultimately they joined forces and bought HTV. Granada came on the scene and decided they wanted the three but were not allowed due to the unfair competition and monopoly so they were allowed to have part of the three so HTV was dropped from the equation and Carlton snapped HTV up.
Your assuming Thames would have taken Carlton's role on by snapping up Westcountry and Central. Who knows, your guess is as good as mine but the likes of Ondigital and the spin off from that was a product from Granada / Carlton and probably looking back on hindsight was probably Granada's doing and this led a big financial mess which is probably why the stations it took over went on a cost drive exercise to make them non existant and led to the mess ITV is now in terms of it's regionality
Ah, I forgot about United News & Media Group. And what I meant was Thames may have left Central and Westcountry alone. United may have bought Central and Westcountry and that may have a different impact to Granada. Granada may have just left them alone. Thames and all of the other independent groups may have an merger or something of that kind and ITV could be totally different. It's all so complicated. There could be so many possibilities.
russnet posted:
tv_mad10 posted:
If Thames was still the London Franchise by 1993 and onwards then Thames might have not bought Central, and Westcountry and Granada may still have HTV. And if Granada and Thames didn't get on well then ON/ITV digital may have never happened. Evenmore so ITV2 may have never happened and we probably have ITV and not ITV1.
But some strange things happen in the future, so my guess is as good as anyone's.
But some strange things happen in the future, so my guess is as good as anyone's.
ITV1 was a branding exercise and a namechange taken in August 2001, ITV2 had already been on the air for just under 3 years prior to the name change. I think the spiel at the time was to make it sound like a family of channels.
This will test my memory. I can't remember if it was Meridian who bought Anglia or the other round way but ultimately they joined forces and bought HTV. Granada came on the scene and decided they wanted the three but were not allowed due to the unfair competition and monopoly so they were allowed to have part of the three so HTV was dropped from the equation and Carlton snapped HTV up.
Your assuming Thames would have taken Carlton's role on by snapping up Westcountry and Central. Who knows, your guess is as good as mine but the likes of Ondigital and the spin off from that was a product from Granada / Carlton and probably looking back on hindsight was probably Granada's doing and this led a big financial mess which is probably why the stations it took over went on a cost drive exercise to make them non existant and led to the mess ITV is now in terms of it's regionality
Ah, I forgot about United News & Media Group. And what I meant was Thames may have left Central and Westcountry alone. United may have bought Central and Westcountry and that may have a different impact to Granada. Granada may have just left them alone. Thames and all of the other independent groups may have an merger or something of that kind and ITV could be totally different. It's all so complicated. There could be so many possibilities.
JO
ITV1 was a branding exercise and a namechange taken in August 2001, ITV2 had already been on the air for just under 3 years prior to the name change. I think the spiel at the time was to make it sound like a family of channels.
This will test my memory. I can't remember if it was Meridian who bought Anglia or the other round way but ultimately they joined forces and bought HTV. Granada came on the scene and decided they wanted the three but were not allowed due to the unfair competition and monopoly so they were allowed to have part of the three so HTV was dropped from the equation and Carlton snapped HTV up.
Your assuming Thames would have taken Carlton's role on by snapping up Westcountry and Central. Who knows, your guess is as good as mine but the likes of Ondigital and the spin off from that was a product from Granada / Carlton and probably looking back on hindsight was probably Granada's doing and this led a big financial mess which is probably why the stations it took over went on a cost drive exercise to make them non existant and led to the mess ITV is now in terms of it's regionality
Ah, I forgot about United News & Media Group. And what I meant was Thames may have left Central and Westcountry alone. United may have bought Central and Westcountry and that may have a different impact to Granada. Granada may have just left them alone. Thames and all of the other independent groups may have an merger or something of that kind and ITV could be totally different. It's all so complicated. There could be so many possibilities.
I think Peason may have left them alone as well, didn't they by Thames to stop them dissapearing like TVAM, TSW & TVS ?
tv_mad10 posted:
russnet posted:
tv_mad10 posted:
If Thames was still the London Franchise by 1993 and onwards then Thames might have not bought Central, and Westcountry and Granada may still have HTV. And if Granada and Thames didn't get on well then ON/ITV digital may have never happened. Evenmore so ITV2 may have never happened and we probably have ITV and not ITV1.
But some strange things happen in the future, so my guess is as good as anyone's.
But some strange things happen in the future, so my guess is as good as anyone's.
ITV1 was a branding exercise and a namechange taken in August 2001, ITV2 had already been on the air for just under 3 years prior to the name change. I think the spiel at the time was to make it sound like a family of channels.
This will test my memory. I can't remember if it was Meridian who bought Anglia or the other round way but ultimately they joined forces and bought HTV. Granada came on the scene and decided they wanted the three but were not allowed due to the unfair competition and monopoly so they were allowed to have part of the three so HTV was dropped from the equation and Carlton snapped HTV up.
Your assuming Thames would have taken Carlton's role on by snapping up Westcountry and Central. Who knows, your guess is as good as mine but the likes of Ondigital and the spin off from that was a product from Granada / Carlton and probably looking back on hindsight was probably Granada's doing and this led a big financial mess which is probably why the stations it took over went on a cost drive exercise to make them non existant and led to the mess ITV is now in terms of it's regionality
Ah, I forgot about United News & Media Group. And what I meant was Thames may have left Central and Westcountry alone. United may have bought Central and Westcountry and that may have a different impact to Granada. Granada may have just left them alone. Thames and all of the other independent groups may have an merger or something of that kind and ITV could be totally different. It's all so complicated. There could be so many possibilities.
I think Peason may have left them alone as well, didn't they by Thames to stop them dissapearing like TVAM, TSW & TVS ?