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Good Morning Britain - the launch

(April 2014)

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JO
Jon

So millions of people are reliant on an OSG Clock which is definitely slow, and will change channel just for that purpose... okay then, how do they know what time it is the rest of the day?

You're missing the point though. It's not that people are reliant on this clock, but it allows them to watch the programme without actively having to check the time because they're constantly aware with it being on screen.


It's not that people are morons at all.

It obviously adds value to breakfast programmes or they wouldn't be included.
SC
Schwing
Also I find it insulting to say what 'people like us' think about a particular programme is less important than what anyone else thinks.

I didn't say that. I said we on TVForum think differently about presentation, etc. I said how we think about these changes is entirely different kettle of fish to they way the general public think about them.


You're saying that by being a TVForum member, I'm not part of the general viewing public, so to me that suggests my opinion is less important.


For the love of God! Where have I said that you - and other members of TVForum - are not a member of the viewing public? Nowhere. I'm a member of TVForum too yet I consider myself a member of the viewing public.

Secondly, where have I said that your opinion, as a member of TVForum, matters less? I haven't. I have said that we, as members of a forum that discusses television presentation, view matters differently to members of the general public. If you read all that I have posted in regards to Good Morning Britain, you will see that I have said that I like the changes. They are changes that have long been called for in British television. Something to rejuvenate an otherwise staid market. What I said, and I repeat it here, is that the 2,300 plus members of TVForum will view a relaunch in a way which is entirely different to most people in this country. I have not said your opinion matters any less. What I have said is that those behind the relaunch cannot direct their efforts to please a select group, ie., the member of TVForum (me included), who think that British television is crying out for an overhaul.

it is 'people like us' with attention to detail that make decisions in advertising and broadcasting in general.

Therein lies the problem. 'People like us... that make decisions in advertising and broadcasting in general'. Just because 'people like us... make decisions in advertising and broadcasting in general' doesn't make us right.


Nor does it make it right if Chantelle down the Co-op says it's pants because the graphics move too fast for her to find out what the weather's doing in Grimsby. (Gross stereotype - sorry)

Ultimately, everyone has their own individual opinion, and if enough people like it, it will be deemed a success. But like I said, doesn't mean anyone's opinion is less valid than anyone elses, as we are ALL part of the general public.

Having said all that, I still believe there are added benefits if creatives and executives within the industry like the programme. Something like GMB needs time to grow and I think (or hope) it will get that time.


I didn't say that 'Chantelle down the Co-op' would be right if she criticised the graphics. I said that just because 'people like us', ie., you, me and others who work in and make decisions in broadcasting, pay attention to detail, it does not mean that we are right. Think of the outcry when the BBC introduced new graphics for the weather. The angle at which the country was viewed may have been physically correct and a true a reflection of the curvature of the Earth but it just didn't work on screen. It didn't matter how much the executives at the BBC believed that they were right. It didn't work.

I agree that there is a benefit to be gained for all concerned if creatives and executives like the broadcast. That being said, creatives and executives must also refrain from ignoring or pouring scorn upon those who would prefer to see the return of 'Datbreak' (as one of our fellow members brought to our attention earlier. Creatives and executives must also refrain from thinking that their decision is the right one and that the viewers will like it. Indeed, the fact that we are arguing over this point is proof in and of itself.

I said, quite clearly, that Good Morning Britain needs time. I said that the viewing figures for the first day will be regarded as 'lacklustre' given the variables, ie., Susanna Reid's personality and following, etc. The executives at ITV would have hoped for a bigger uptick, probably approaching 500,000, which would fall back to 200,000 the following day.
BR
Brekkie
Jon posted:
But there's still a good number of 4:3 TV's out there, particularly in bedrooms and kitchens - the kind of place you're likely to have a breakfast programme on.


I still use a 4:3 CRT set in the kitchen, but use the Freeview box in letterbox mode.

Exactly - if people want to see everything that's on the screen set your TV up accordingly.

But it's a commercial decision and ultimataly if the public haven't got the right set up it's the broadcasters who are going to lose out if they don't accept that or at least make the effort to educate people.


The fact is if too many have the wrong set up too many people will think the show doesn't have a clock and will simply tune into something else.

So millions of people are reliant on an OSG Clock which is definitely slow, and will change channel just for that purpose... okay then, how do they know what time it is the rest of the day?

I personally have a clock on the wall above my tv, a clock on my bedside table, a clock in the kitchen, a clock in the bathroom, a clock on my phone, and a watch on my wrist... who cares if the OSG clock is outside the 4:3 safe areas. My clocks are all more accurate than the one on the tv anyway.

Anyone reliant on an OSG to tell them the time is quite simply a moron.

Maybe rather than spending all this money on new formats and big name signings they should just broadcast a clock for three hours.
DV
DVB Cornwall
Well .... we have the enormous test story for GMB already. The breaking news from Belfast will dominate. This will check out everything.
SC
scottishtv Founding member
I suspect those people will have it on their default channel bbc1 because they are too busy getting the kids ready etc by the time the kids are gone the mother would probably switch to 4:3 safe Lorraine.

Nonsense. If someone's going to go and switch on the telly, they will at the very least choose what channel to watch at the same time.
BR
Brekkie
Well .... we have the enormous test story for GMB already. The breaking news from Belfast will dominate. This will check out everything.

I suspect you've just highlighted the biggest challenge for GMB - despite me always saying how much I favour ITV News over BBC News when someone posts something like that I'm straight off to the BBC website.

That's a big story for sure and one that probably really is the definition of hard news, so as big a story is it some might be more concerned about whether George Clooney has called his engagement off today.

Talking of which worth mentioning that the Prince Harry story was in the main headlines on both Radio 1 and more crucially Radio 2 throughout the day today, so it's not as if only GMB report that sort of thing.
HB
HarryB
I do hate the checkatrade.com sponser on the weather, just the music on it ruins the great weather sting
RI
Richard
What happens in Northern Ireland? Good Morning NI? Good Morning UTV? Good Morning Anything?
TW
tweedledum
I do hate the checkatrade.com sponser on the weather, just the music on it ruins the great weather sting

Well i think the sponsorship started in January - so there probably is a while left on it..
MA
Markymark
But there's still a good number of 4:3 TV's out there, particularly in bedrooms and kitchens - the kind of place you're likely to have a breakfast programme on.


I still use a 4:3 CRT set in the kitchen, but use the Freeview box in letterbox mode.


I know several people who still use 4:3 sets, either in centre-cut-out or stretchy-vision, because they don't like to see the top and bottom of the screen "wasted".


So they throw away detail on each side instead, OK, fair enough, their choice, but we've really got to move on now from 4:3 'safe' shooting.
MU
Multi
I do hate the checkatrade.com sponser on the weather, just the music on it ruins the great weather sting


It was Tyne Tees' weather sting for a few month and irritated me wildly. Was glad when they removed it but Daybreak picked it up and Tyne Tees replaced it with that horrible Akbars one. I was so hoping GMB would get rid of it. It totally ruins the end of the weather sting too.
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fanoftv
A question about the closing of the programme, having only seen the close of the first programme, do they now not play any music, and it just crosses to Lorraine?
Bad move if so IMO.

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