Good Morning Britain - the launch - Page 139

DK

DanielK 2 July 2014 9:55pm

So you're saying that it is recorded in segments to form a sort of kit of words? That would sound really terrible, which has been proven when Sky News need an emergency voiceover and cut together two totally different ones with stresses and pauses in the wrong places

But it's done all over the place. When things are done in an "emergency", yes, they can sound cobbled together. But when it's designed to be used like this from the start it's dead easy to make it seamless.

Really? To me it sounds like it is one recording, even if the date is separate from the 'Live...' part.

NG

noggin Founding member 2 July 2014 9:57pm

DanielK posted:

bilky asko posted:

DanielK posted:

Jon posted:

DanielK posted:

dbl posted:

Clearly its all recorded in one session with a consistent tone of voice, it would make no sense paying for a session per week. How do you think the automated train announcements are done.

I really don't think it would have been done in one session, if so his voice will start sounding very tired very soon due to him repeating the same line so many times.

It's not some random they've picked from the street, it's a professional voice over, I suspect they can handle it. It's not that many words to record either.

The strain would still come through after a while, which it hasn't. I really think that it is record week by week, or month by month maybe.

Five days; thirty one numbers, twelve months, maybe ten years. Even if the dates and months were combined, it's not that many combinations to record.

So you're saying that it is recorded in segments to form a sort of kit of words? That would sound really terrible, which has been proven when Sky News need an emergency voiceover and cut together two totally different ones with stresses and pauses in the wrong places

If you get a pro to do it - with clear and consistent delivery - and you record all 31 numbers individually and with the run up (rather than just saying them separately) - then it could work quite well. Given that almost every documentary and news report contains heavily edited sentences - it's not that inconceivable.

I'm not saying that this is what they do - but I don't think you can dismiss it out of hand.

It's very different to an emergency where you make do with what you have rather than planning for it to work from the outset.

BA

bilky asko 2 July 2014 9:57pm

DanielK posted:

dosxuk posted:

DanielK posted:

So you're saying that it is recorded in segments to form a sort of kit of words? That would sound really terrible, which has been proven when Sky News need an emergency voiceover and cut together two totally different ones with stresses and pauses in the wrong places

But it's done all over the place. When things are done in an "emergency", yes, they can sound cobbled together. But when it's designed to be used like this from the start it's dead easy to make it seamless.

Really? To me it sounds like it is one recording, even if the date is separate from the 'Live...' part.

If it sounds seamless, then the job's been done properly. The background music probably helps too.

DO

dosxuk 2 July 2014 9:59pm

DanielK posted:

dosxuk posted:

DanielK posted:

So you're saying that it is recorded in segments to form a sort of kit of words? That would sound really terrible, which has been proven when Sky News need an emergency voiceover and cut together two totally different ones with stresses and pauses in the wrong places

But it's done all over the place. When things are done in an "emergency", yes, they can sound cobbled together. But when it's designed to be used like this from the start it's dead easy to make it seamless.

Really? To me it sounds like it is one recording, even if the date is separate from the 'Live...' part.

Yes. You simply need a quiet studio with a low noise floor, and a competent recording set up, so all the parts are recorded at the same level. Then you can dump them onto a PC and edit the audio files into clips of the particular segments (which may be anything from entire paragraphs to single words). If you do this so the audio waveform is crossing-zero at the cut points, you can then join them together in a seamless manner, in any order of your choosing.

There's only three things you need to watch out for - volume of background noise, volume of the speaker, and waveform jumps, which will make a clicking noise if you don't trim them correctly. Do these three things right and nobody will be able to tell you, even from looking at the raw waveform, that it was formed from separate recordings.

DK

DanielK 2 July 2014 9:59pm

noggin posted:

DanielK posted:

bilky asko posted:

DanielK posted:

Jon posted:

DanielK posted:

dbl posted:

Clearly its all recorded in one session with a consistent tone of voice, it would make no sense paying for a session per week. How do you think the automated train announcements are done.

I really don't think it would have been done in one session, if so his voice will start sounding very tired very soon due to him repeating the same line so many times.

It's not some random they've picked from the street, it's a professional voice over, I suspect they can handle it. It's not that many words to record either.

The strain would still come through after a while, which it hasn't. I really think that it is record week by week, or month by month maybe.

Five days; thirty one numbers, twelve months, maybe ten years. Even if the dates and months were combined, it's not that many combinations to record.

So you're saying that it is recorded in segments to form a sort of kit of words? That would sound really terrible, which has been proven when Sky News need an emergency voiceover and cut together two totally different ones with stresses and pauses in the wrong places

If you get a pro to do it - with clear and consistent delivery - and you record all 31 numbers individually and with the run up (rather than just saying them separately) - then it could work quite well. Given that almost every documentary and news report contains heavily edited sentences - it's not that inconceivable.

I'm not saying that this is what they do - but I don't think you can dismiss it out of hand.

It's very different to an emergency where you make do with what you have rather than planning for it to work from the outset.

I've just watched the intro and he says '28th OF April' and the way he says it makes me think that the date and month are recorded together.

DO

dosxuk 2 July 2014 10:02pm

DanielK posted:

I've just watched the intro and he says '28th OF April' and the way he says it makes me think that the date and month are recorded together.

If there's an emphasis on the "of", it's almost certainly a selection of clips stuck together. It's unnatural to put an emphasis there when reading out a sentence.

DK

DanielK 2 July 2014 10:06pm

dosxuk posted:

DanielK posted:

I've just watched the intro and he says '28th OF April' and the way he says it makes me think that the date and month are recorded together.

If there's an emphasis on the "of", it's almost certainly a selection of clips stuck together. It's unnatural to put an emphasis there when reading out a sentence.

Listening again, it is sounding more like 'Monday, Twenty-Eigth've April...'.

DA

David 2 July 2014 10:17pm

What about the commentary in the video game Fifa 2008? Is that done live or is it a selection of clips pasted together?

PE

peterrocket Founding member 3 July 2014 1:23am

dosxuk posted:

DanielK posted:

So you're saying that it is recorded in segments to form a sort of kit of words? That would sound really terrible, which has been proven when Sky News need an emergency voiceover and cut together two totally different ones with stresses and pauses in the wrong places

But it's done all over the place. When things are done in an "emergency", yes, they can sound cobbled together. But when it's designed to be used like this from the start it's dead easy to make it seamless.

Plus, realistically what emergency would need a different voiceover if they have every combination of day/date/month/year available? The only thing there might be is if they have to do the show elsewhere or on OB and the line 'live from ITV studios' becomes incorrect.

Then in that case, they'd probably pay for special voiceovers.

HB

HarryB 3 July 2014 6:01am

Ben and Susanna outside by the Thames

RO

rob Founding member 3 July 2014 6:06am

BBC News Fix posted:

Ben and Susanna outside by the Thames

DK

DanielK 3 July 2014 6:25am

rob posted:

BBC News Fix posted:

Ben and Susanna outside by the Thames

Quite nice, just turn a bit so they can get St Pauls into shot (if the sun isn't in shot).

Good Morning Britain - the launch

(April 2014)