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itsrobert6,158 posts since 23 Mar 2001
Granada North West Today
Can itn actually do the news in the rules of the broadcast licence or is there something about breakfast being totally separate

What I would like to know is what is in the agreement regarding GMB staying on air past 9.25am. I know there has been a certain amount of annoyance at ITN on the occasions that this has happened as ITN is the news provider after 9.25am.
Richard831 posts since 22 Apr 2012
Granada North West Today
Can itn actually do the news in the rules of the broadcast licence or is there something about breakfast being totally separate

What I would like to know is what is in the agreement regarding GMB staying on air past 9.25am. I know there has been a certain amount of annoyance at ITN on the occasions that this has happened as ITN is the news provider after 9.25am.


Has this happened recently? Thought it happened back in the ITV F1 days when they got payback for giving up time for ITV to cover an early morning race.
harshy5,781 posts since 24 Mar 2001
Perhaps someone could time it before they flatten the place, if anyone here really cares so much.

I wonder if we will get those you tube videos where a person works the length and breadth of the entire facilities like they did for TVC.
Neil Jones4,417 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
Can itn actually do the news in the rules of the broadcast licence or is there something about breakfast being totally separate

What I would like to know is what is in the agreement regarding GMB staying on air past 9.25am. I know there has been a certain amount of annoyance at ITN on the occasions that this has happened as ITN is the news provider after 9.25am.


Has this happened recently? Thought it happened back in the ITV F1 days when they got payback for giving up time for ITV to cover an early morning race.


Happened a few times in the last couple of years - the Scottish referendum was one, a terrorist attack was the other and IIRC the general election?

The ITV F1 arrangement thing you're referring to was GMTV's broadcast hours. A race gets covered on Sunday morning and runs over GMTV's hours so there was no GMTV that day. It was usually either made up the following weekend (I remember seeing it run for a five hour block until about 11:20am once) or there may have been a payment of some sort to cover the shortfall.

Of course if it had been an issue in the TV-AM days whether they'd have been so obliging is a different matter.
62305822,114 posts since 19 Aug 2005
STV Central Reporting Scotland
It works both ways.... On saturday morning ITN had a news special at 08.30 , Of late there was the Parsons Green Bombing and of course Grenfall which kept GMB on air until 10.30, Then you had This morning with News extras.

IF it's planned the change over is 09.25, if its live breaking news then GMB are already in play to deal with such events until ITN get get sorted at 10.30 etc The Manchester Terror Attack happened the night before and it give ITN enough time to get sorted for the 09.25 change over, Its just common sense..
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Neil Jones4,417 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
The contract time for breakfast TV on ITV is just that - 6am-9:25am. The original reason for the 9:25am start was to get things going for a 9:30 start, hence a startup seqeuence. That went out the window years ago as you say.

Presumably its for the same reasons the London Weekend thing still starts at 5:15 on a Friday, despite the fact the on-air principle disappeared 15 years ago. More trouble to change it than its worth?
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Austin Tatious850 posts since 1 Jan 2016 Recently warned
HTV West Points West
I wonder why the changeover is still 9:25. It's such an odd time that I think was basically done so ITV companies could do their start-up sequence in time for the first programme at 9:30. Hasn't been relevent for over 30 years, so I wonder why it's never been changed to 9:30.


The contract time for breakfast TV on ITV is just that - 6am-9:25am. The original reason for the 9:25am start was to get things going for a 9:30 start, hence a startup seqeuence. That went out the window years ago as you say.

Presumably its for the same reasons the London Weekend thing still starts at 5:15 on a Friday, despite the fact the on-air principle disappeared 15 years ago. More trouble to change it than its worth?


The likes of the IBA/ITC/Ofcom have always had the power to tinker with the licence/franchise terms (at least at "renewal date" times, if nothing else), surely?

For example...

Prior to the creation of a "National Breakfast" licence/franchise in the early 1980s, would the existing regional licensees/franchisees presumably hitherto have had the theoretical "right" to broadcast 24 hours? It was perhaps only because they just so happened not to do so in practice (Good Morning Calendar notwithstanding!) that the creation of such a licence/franchise didn't really ruffle any feathers (to my knowledge).

Wasn't the Friday evening Thames/LWT changeover originally at 7pm or something? The broadcasting authority were clearly able to commute 105 minutes of airtime from one to the other, whether the Weekday incumbent liked it or not!

Most recently (in 2014, I think?) came the official reorganisation of the franchise structure in Wales and the West Country. Farewell to a combined Wales & West franchise and a "South West Peninsular-only" (so to speak) franchise. Hello to a Wales-only franchise, and a "whole-of-the-West Country" (from Cornwall to Gloucestershire) franchise. This, of course, belatedly matched the way things had already been done in practice since a few years prior anyway.

Therefore, presumably the official time parameters of the Channel 3 Breakfast franchise could have been changed at numerous points in time before now, if the will was there to do so. There must be reasons why it is not regarded as change worth making, albeit I have no idea what those reasons are.

As I work office hours, I have no idea how the lead-in to Jeremy Kyle is structured. I presume that ITV/STV/UTV airtime starts with at least some programme trailers, so that JK in practice starts at e.g. 09:27 or whatever, rather than truly at the billed time? I presume JK's actual duration is really designed to fit a 60-minute slot (e.g. for ITV2 repeats etc), rather than the awkward 65-minutes? In which case, I presume that the number of programme trailers during each commercial break within JK's weekday morning slot further pad out the rest of the 5-minute discrepancy?
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dvboy9,255 posts since 11 Jan 2003
Central (West) Midlands Today
As I work office hours, I have no idea how the lead-in to Jeremy Kyle is structured. I presume that ITV/STV/UTV airtime starts with at least some programme trailers, so that JK in practice starts at e.g. 09:27 or whatever, rather than truly at the billed time? I presume JK's actually duration is really designed to fit a 60-minute slot (e.g. for ITV2 repeats etc), rather than the awkward 65-minutes? In which case, I presume that the number of programme trailers during each commercial break within JK's weekday morning slot further pad out the rest of the 5-minute discrepancy?


Having watched the GMB to STV changeover yesterday morning, Lorraine comes off air then it's ads then trailers for what's coming up on (from memory) Loose Women and Jeremy Kyle (none of these are ITV-branded, they just say "Coming Up at 12:30/9:25"), then there's an ITV break bumper, then bang on 9:25 there's an STV ident and straight into Jeremy Kyle.
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scottishtv1,663 posts since 6 Nov 2001
STV Central Reporting Scotland
I can't recall what happened in the TV-am era, but the franchise handover was still very obvious in the GMTV days, who would finish with a "See you tomorrow, 6.00am - 9.25am" holding slide before the switch. I guess most viewers see GMB and Lorraine as just TV shows on ITV now, as all the branding matches up seamlessly throughout the day.

However, up here there are minor noticeable differences between ITV Breakfast output and STV output. Outside GMB/Lorraine, we would never normally see ITV branded promos during ad breaks, or have the ITV DOG in the corner, but all of that is on-screen from 6.00 to 9.25. There is still a sense of the "STV day" beginning at 09.25.
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