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CH
chinamug
I never said that it would be. I was looking at it from Virgin Media’s perspective, not ITV’s.


In fact, they value Ireland AM so much that they didn't renew Mark Cagney's Contract. He was with the show 20 years and appears to be very popular with the few that watch Ireland AM. It wouldn't surprise me if when the next economic Downturn comes along that Virgin Media try to drop Ireland AM and Broadcast GMB and Lorraine instead. It would probably get better figures for less money. Even right now that's more talk in Ireland about the weekly Morgan outburst than anything Ireland AM puts out

The former channel UTV Ireland tried that and it failed 100% - they decided to air GMB with short news updates for their own, and it quickly bombed in the ratings, making UTV Ireland's plunge even worse, so no Virgin Media will never go down that path again. Ireland AM is cheap, based in studio and gets reasonable viewers to cover expenses, it will continue - it is Ireland's only breakfast television programme, and Virgin Media Ireland will want to keep that fact alive, to show up RTE the national broadcaster who favour Morning Ireland on RTE Radio 1 at breakfast time than any proper breakfast television. Even RTE have given up on their short morning news summaries, introduced in 1997.


That's not the case at all when you look at actual figures. The numbers for GMB were very very low when it was on air on UTV Ireland, but in the first hour between 6 and 7am when they were only getting a few thousand Ireland AM wasn't even on air, between 7 and 8am GMB was only 5,000 behind Ireland AM. By the time Ireland AM hits it's peak between 8.30 and 9.30. GMB is off air. So you couldn't compare like for like. There is a very small audience for Breakfast TV in Ireland, the only reason that Ireland AM is on air is that it's an Irish production. It has nothing to do with viewing figures. They'd drop it and most Irish programmes overall if the BAI would allow it.

If you gave GMB the same running time as Ireland AM and 5 years to bed in it would probably beat Ireland AM hands down.

The only place I have seen anyone complaining that RTE don't have breakfast TV is here and one or two corners of the internet. In real life, no one really cares. Now, on the other hand, there would be a problem if This Morning wasn't broadcast on an Irish station.
TI
TIGHazard
While it had happened before in the past for something to straddle 9:25am, it was probably only really going to be a matter of time before somebody said sod this, we'll just have a programme that runs for an hour at 9am, not like they have to ensure they're clear for 9:24:59 these days.


Last time I checked (just after JK was pulled off the air) it still does go blank for a few seconds at the switch point. I actually had a family member ask me if something was wrong with the TV when it happened.


Actually it works both ways at 6am and 9:25am, and its not "a few seconds", its only ever been one or two on the occasions where I'd been around to see. That's probably just to officially separate it.

We're well past the era now where transmitters switch feeds at 6am and 9:25am (and 7pm/5:15pm in London) regardless of whether the source is ready or not and considering the regional optouts (which apparently were tooted for TV-am and then for whatever reason didn't happen) suggest everything is pretty much centralised anyway.


I don't know if was just the day I watched, the fact that it was on Virgin (not freeview) or the difference between the two ITV playout centres, but it was longer than two seconds. It was more like 5. Like I said, enough for a family member who doesn't pay attention to stuff like this to notice the screen had gone blank while not looking at the screen.
LS
Lou Scannon
I would assume that any 9am-10am Lorraine programme would have a commercial break with its final advert/trailer/breakbumper ending at 09:24:59. For viewers in STV/UTV land, this would be the day's final sighting of e.g. an ITV-branded breakbumper/trailer. The day's first sighting of STV/UTV would be e.g. a breakbumper at the start of the commercial break circa 09:45, and the first STV/UTV ident & anno would be to introduce This Morning at 10am.
UT
Upload TV
I would assume that any 9am-10am Lorraine programme would have a commercial break with its final advert/trailer/breakbumper ending at 09:24:59. For viewers in STV/UTV land, this would be the day's final sighting of e.g. an ITV-branded breakbumper/trailer. The day's first sighting of STV/UTV would be e.g. a breakbumper at the start of the commercial break circa 09:45, and the first STV/UTV ident & anno would be to introduce This Morning at 10am.


Since (I believe) the 2016 rebrand UTV have started airing their own idents before GMB and UTV break bumpers, trailers etc during GMB.
NA
natoswald
Seems like Richard Madeley gets to dictate the running order somewhat. When he is on, they go to the news first at 6, or after 2 or 3 minutes, and then have the 'Golden 10/15'

Everyday it's been like normal, with the 'Golden 15' first, except whenever he has presented.
NG
noggin Founding member
I would assume that any 9am-10am Lorraine programme would have a commercial break with its final advert/trailer/breakbumper ending at 09:24:59. For viewers in STV/UTV land, this would be the day's final sighting of e.g. an ITV-branded breakbumper/trailer. The day's first sighting of STV/UTV would be e.g. a breakbumper at the start of the commercial break circa 09:45, and the first STV/UTV ident & anno would be to introduce This Morning at 10am.


Yes - any ITV Breakfast break will, presumably, have to have completed before the ITV Breakfast to ITV plc/STV switchover point, at which point STV take over advertising for the channel in their area (both in revenue and regulatory terms)
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Orry Verducci
I don't know if was just the day I watched, the fact that it was on Virgin (not freeview) or the difference between the two ITV playout centres, but it was longer than two seconds. It was more like 5. Like I said, enough for a family member who doesn't pay attention to stuff like this to notice the screen had gone blank while not looking at the screen.

I suspect this was a one off rather than the norm. ITV presentation always insert a 'network black event' at any point where external playout centres (now only STV) join the network feed. For example you'll see a second of black between the ident and every networked programme, the idea being that if STV join slightly early they get a clean opt, rather than a flash of the ITV ident.


The do the same at 9:25 to ensure that STV cleanly opts out, again just in case ITV playout are slightly ahead of STV. Whenever I've seen it it's usually only a second or two as normal. On this occasion I suspect they were underrunning, and as STV can't opt out until 9:25 they had to hold on to black to bridge the gap.
MA
Markymark
I don't know if was just the day I watched, the fact that it was on Virgin (not freeview) or the difference between the two ITV playout centres, but it was longer than two seconds. It was more like 5. Like I said, enough for a family member who doesn't pay attention to stuff like this to notice the screen had gone blank while not looking at the screen.

I suspect this was a one off rather than the norm. ITV presentation always insert a 'network black event' at any point where external playout centres (now only STV) join the network feed. For example you'll see a second of black between the ident and every networked programme, the idea being that if STV join slightly early they get a clean opt, rather than a flash of the ITV ident.


The do the same at 9:25 to ensure that STV cleanly opts out, again just in case ITV playout are slightly ahead of STV. Whenever I've seen it it's usually only a second or two as normal. On this occasion I suspect they were underrunning, and as STV can't opt out until 9:25 they had to hold on to black to bridge the gap.


In the LNN/GMTV days, there were macro advertising regions on GMTV, and there was a router salvo fired at 09:25 to reconfigure the five or six outgoing network feeds, back into LNN's 'ITV' outgoing lines config (that ran 09:25 to 05:59). I know because I managed to take This Morning off the air outside London (for a few seconds, that felt like hours) by working on the main rather than the standby config (no one died).

So the pause seen today in some areas, might be similar ?
JW
JamesWorldNews
Public Service Announcement: Never Board a flight with Richard Madeley.
CU
Cusack
I would assume that any 9am-10am Lorraine programme would have a commercial break with its final advert/trailer/breakbumper ending at 09:24:59. For viewers in STV/UTV land, this would be the day's final sighting of e.g. an ITV-branded breakbumper/trailer. The day's first sighting of STV/UTV would be e.g. a breakbumper at the start of the commercial break circa 09:45, and the first STV/UTV ident & anno would be to introduce This Morning at 10am.


From what I read, it sounds like they are thinking of doing away with any announcer between the shows, instead the presenters of GMB pass to Lorraine who passes to This Morning who in turn pass to Loose Women.
AN
Andrew Founding member
Where have you heard that?
RD
RDJ
Where have you heard that?


It's correct. One of the question in the Viewback discussion was for our views on seeing the presenters of the following programme interact with the previous presenters - presumably providing a more seamless transition of programmes.

Also, just some further clarity on the news half hour - that one of the questions asked for our views as they intended for the half hour to be presented solely by Charlotte Hawkins.

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