MW
Well I guess they were wrong then, I can't possibly comment on March 1993's GMTV music though.
No. According to @errongordon, it was a piece taken from the 1993 relaunch (March).
Well I guess they were wrong then, I can't possibly comment on March 1993's GMTV music though.
JA
Well I guess they were wrong then, I can't possibly comment on March 1993's GMTV music though.
Fairly wrong indeed. I'd believe the director.
No. According to @errongordon, it was a piece taken from the 1993 relaunch (March).
Well I guess they were wrong then, I can't possibly comment on March 1993's GMTV music though.
Fairly wrong indeed. I'd believe the director.
BU
Nope - aside from production captions, there's been no GMTV branding on the kids output since March 2006 when the CITV channel launched and GMTV Kids took on the CITV branding.
Is there usually a GMTV ident / branding weekend mornings or is it straight into CITV ?
Nope - aside from production captions, there's been no GMTV branding on the kids output since March 2006 when the CITV channel launched and GMTV Kids took on the CITV branding.
SC
Were you privvy to the internal machinations that happened at ITV and GMTV or are you just basing that opinion on how it was portrayed by the press and on here?
If you'd care to read my post again - in particular the sentences you quote - I do refer in parentheses to the initial reporting of the situation. If that wasn't clear enough for you, then I apologise. Also, my comments were based on both the initial reporting of the relaunch of GMTV and on information from somebody who works for Peter Fincham. This person, whose name and position I am not about to divulge, was one of my flatmates whilst at university.
By what standards are you basing these comments? I, too, despaired of the graphics packages used by GMTV on occasion but can you say wholeheartedly that over the course of 17 years none of the graphics were appropriate? When it first launched the soft yellow-pink-blue-white palette wasn't all that bad, nor was the package that followed it in 1994-1995 with a mottled background (such as http://tinyurl.com/33rds57) If you are comparing the recent graphics package to those at the launch then it's a little unfair - the technology has changed, both from the production side of things and at home. It's like saying that the United States' nuclear weapons are atrocious but not taking into account that in 1945 the bombs were ever so slightly bigger than they are today. Without a doubt, Tina Baker is annoying but to blame GMTV solely for her media profile is unfair; she started out on TV-AM and along the way has appeared on that bastion of journalistic excellence, This Morning. What was it you were saying about TV-AM being superior to GMTV?
On the competitions front it wasn't just GMTV. Programmes across all terrestrial networks were found to have rigged their competitions in some way, shape or form. It's subjective, I know, but perhaps the more damaging competition scandal was that at Blue Peter and not GMTV. I'd be careful if I were you in claiming that Fiona Phillips only kept her job because her husband was editor. That's the sort of comment usually that gets people in trouble. By the way, I searched for 'worst television programmes ever' online and a list from the Radio Times popped up. Two programmes (Through the Keyhole and Wacaday) that originated from TV-AM feature on the list. Again, what was it you were saying about TV-AM being superior?
This of course raises another issue. It reveals more about ITV than it does about GMTV. The manner in which ITV has gone about the relaunch of GMTV (as it was first reported), then the announcement of Daybreak, then the uncertainty regarding jobs and presenters is abysmal.
Were you privvy to the internal machinations that happened at ITV and GMTV or are you just basing that opinion on how it was portrayed by the press and on here?
If you'd care to read my post again - in particular the sentences you quote - I do refer in parentheses to the initial reporting of the situation. If that wasn't clear enough for you, then I apologise. Also, my comments were based on both the initial reporting of the relaunch of GMTV and on information from somebody who works for Peter Fincham. This person, whose name and position I am not about to divulge, was one of my flatmates whilst at university.
It was, without a shadow of a doubt, one of the most atrocious, abhorrent, dreadful pieces of broadcast television in the history of mankind. The horrid graphics (aside from the most recent set), the continued presence of Richard Arnold, the prioritising of celebrity stories over genuinely important news, Fiona "I'll miss the popemobile" Phillips and her producer husband who kept her in the job, that horrific Tina Baker creature that they employed for ages to 'review' soaps and generally make viewers feel sick, the Inch Loss Island guff they ploughed out year after year after year, the truly awful competitions scandal and the reinstatement of their competitions almost immediately (IIRC) and the fact that it replaced the vastly superior TVAM and didn't even try to be superior. It was crap. That is my opinion, but yes, it was crap. The ITC said it was crap, Ofcom gave them a record fine because of its crapness (well it was more to do with the competitions, but it was probably a bit to do with the fact that it was crap, you never know), it was crap.
Crap, crap, crap, crap, crap. I'd use stronger language if I were able to on this forum but sadly I can't.
Crap, crap, crap, crap, crap. I'd use stronger language if I were able to on this forum but sadly I can't.
By what standards are you basing these comments? I, too, despaired of the graphics packages used by GMTV on occasion but can you say wholeheartedly that over the course of 17 years none of the graphics were appropriate? When it first launched the soft yellow-pink-blue-white palette wasn't all that bad, nor was the package that followed it in 1994-1995 with a mottled background (such as http://tinyurl.com/33rds57) If you are comparing the recent graphics package to those at the launch then it's a little unfair - the technology has changed, both from the production side of things and at home. It's like saying that the United States' nuclear weapons are atrocious but not taking into account that in 1945 the bombs were ever so slightly bigger than they are today. Without a doubt, Tina Baker is annoying but to blame GMTV solely for her media profile is unfair; she started out on TV-AM and along the way has appeared on that bastion of journalistic excellence, This Morning. What was it you were saying about TV-AM being superior to GMTV?
On the competitions front it wasn't just GMTV. Programmes across all terrestrial networks were found to have rigged their competitions in some way, shape or form. It's subjective, I know, but perhaps the more damaging competition scandal was that at Blue Peter and not GMTV. I'd be careful if I were you in claiming that Fiona Phillips only kept her job because her husband was editor. That's the sort of comment usually that gets people in trouble. By the way, I searched for 'worst television programmes ever' online and a list from the Radio Times popped up. Two programmes (Through the Keyhole and Wacaday) that originated from TV-AM feature on the list. Again, what was it you were saying about TV-AM being superior?
AN
Andrew
Founding member
Some TV listings still billed this weekend's 6.00-9.25 slot as 'GMTV'.
I wonder what they will bill it as in the listings next week. They should really just list The Fluffy Club and Toonattik seperately, or call it CITV or 'Children's Programmes'.
It seems that a large number of presenters on GMTV all started in 2000 so there must have been a major change back then. Before Garraway and Castle came on the scene in 2000, who presented GMTV on Fridays and school holidays?
I wonder what they will bill it as in the listings next week. They should really just list The Fluffy Club and Toonattik seperately, or call it CITV or 'Children's Programmes'.
It seems that a large number of presenters on GMTV all started in 2000 so there must have been a major change back then. Before Garraway and Castle came on the scene in 2000, who presented GMTV on Fridays and school holidays?
BU
Radio Times have the slightly odd title "Children's", when CITV would do (and there's no reason to really not list it under that title now GMTV is gone).
Of course the obvious thing to do would be to list each programme individually, now that the Toonattik branding is only themed continuity rather than an actual programme, but RT don't do that anymore...
Of course the obvious thing to do would be to list each programme individually, now that the Toonattik branding is only themed continuity rather than an actual programme, but RT don't do that anymore...
LI
Like other people I was a Big Breakfast follower, then after it was axed I attempted to like GMTV, but never really liked it. So all I've had is BBC Breakfast. And I'm praying Daybreak gives me a reason to stray again.
Still, nothing has topped the Big Breakfast in my eyes...
Still, nothing has topped the Big Breakfast in my eyes...
WH
They had people like Ross Kelly & Matt Lorenzo around that time.
Whataday
Founding member
It seems that a large number of presenters on GMTV all started in 2000 so there must have been a major change back then. Before Garraway and Castle came on the scene in 2000, who presented GMTV on Fridays and school holidays?
They had people like Ross Kelly & Matt Lorenzo around that time.
SW
Yes, Castle, Garraway and Shephard all started in 2000, they did a big launch at the Edinburgh Festival to unveil them - though much to their embarrassment nobody turned up. Before that, as mentioned, the likes of Matthew Lorenzo were around although I'm pretty sure that at that point the main presenters did five days a week.
When it started, though, Mike Wilson and Fiona Armstrong presented Monday to Thursday and Eamonn Holmes and Anne Davies did Fridays and also Sundays, where they also broadcast live. But it was such a disaster that Wilson was demoted to the first hour, Armstrong quit and Sundays were scaled down quite significantly, Mike Morris was doing them on his own within six months, and by the end of 1994 it had become the political programme.
It seems that a large number of presenters on GMTV all started in 2000 so there must have been a major change back then. Before Garraway and Castle came on the scene in 2000, who presented GMTV on Fridays and school holidays?
Yes, Castle, Garraway and Shephard all started in 2000, they did a big launch at the Edinburgh Festival to unveil them - though much to their embarrassment nobody turned up. Before that, as mentioned, the likes of Matthew Lorenzo were around although I'm pretty sure that at that point the main presenters did five days a week.
When it started, though, Mike Wilson and Fiona Armstrong presented Monday to Thursday and Eamonn Holmes and Anne Davies did Fridays and also Sundays, where they also broadcast live. But it was such a disaster that Wilson was demoted to the first hour, Armstrong quit and Sundays were scaled down quite significantly, Mike Morris was doing them on his own within six months, and by the end of 1994 it had become the political programme.
NE
They had people like Ross Kelly & Matt Lorenzo around that time.
Before 2000 Eamonn and Fiona used to present five days a week. The move to a permanent four day (and later three day) week came with the advent of Kate and Andrew.
As posted previously, Ross Kelly and Matt Lorenzo would fill in for Eamonn and Penny Smith would often deputise for Fiona. Lorraine made occasional appearances back on the sofa in those days (even presenting with Fiona on Christmas Eve 2001 I recall) with Anne Davies also filling in. When Fiona went on maternity leave in 1999, rather than use Penny or Anne as regular co-presenter they chose to hire Esther McVey.
Incidentally, wasn't Anne sidelined: from regular Friday/Sunday co-presenter to reading the bulletins during the Newshour and occasional features such as travel etc. Firstly they chose Lorraine over Anne to replace Fiona Armstrong then Penny to present the Newshour and read the GMTV Today bulletins.
It seems that a large number of presenters on GMTV all started in 2000 so there must have been a major change back then. Before Garraway and Castle came on the scene in 2000, who presented GMTV on Fridays and school holidays?
They had people like Ross Kelly & Matt Lorenzo around that time.
Before 2000 Eamonn and Fiona used to present five days a week. The move to a permanent four day (and later three day) week came with the advent of Kate and Andrew.
As posted previously, Ross Kelly and Matt Lorenzo would fill in for Eamonn and Penny Smith would often deputise for Fiona. Lorraine made occasional appearances back on the sofa in those days (even presenting with Fiona on Christmas Eve 2001 I recall) with Anne Davies also filling in. When Fiona went on maternity leave in 1999, rather than use Penny or Anne as regular co-presenter they chose to hire Esther McVey.
Incidentally, wasn't Anne sidelined: from regular Friday/Sunday co-presenter to reading the bulletins during the Newshour and occasional features such as travel etc. Firstly they chose Lorraine over Anne to replace Fiona Armstrong then Penny to present the Newshour and read the GMTV Today bulletins.