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Glasgow Police Helicopter Crash

(November 2013)

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MA
Markymark
thegeek posted:
I've just watched back a snippet of Saturday evening's News Channel coverage. After the 30 minute Reporting Scotland special finished, it cut back to Gavin Grey in BH, who immediately threw to Sophie Long on the street in Glasgow, who interviewed Nicola Sturgeon down the line from Pacific Quay - to rehash the interview she'd done minutes previously in the Reporting Scotland studio.

Do the newsrooms not talk to each other? How did this benefit the viewer? Couldn't they have just done a recap of other news and then throw to Sportsday?


The whole business of 'regional' newsrooms covering major national incidents needs to be reviewed.
What did Reporting Scotland reveal in their 30 min programme, that hadn't already been revealed in
the national news immediately before, and on the News Channel ? Did nothing else happen in Scotland on Saturday (it was St Andrews Day after all ?)

None of this is new, the Dunblane network simulcast I mentioned up thread was one of the most ludicrous ideas I've seen.
Virtually the entire 30 mins of the network 6pm news was taken up with the story, OK, fine. So why then
was the entire UK treated to the first 15 mins of Reporting Scotland, which added nothing to what had
been covered by the national news ? I assume, all regions took the simulcast, here in the south, we were left
with Sally Taylor and a truncated edition of South Today.
SW
Steve Williams
DanielK posted:
The generic BBC One ident possibly? Maybe they should have generic regional HQ idents, much like that Strictly(?) TVC one.


What generic BBC1 ident? BBC Scotland will have Scottish versions of all the idents because they do their own continuity into 90% of all programming, so they can easily pick and choose any of them (ie, not the one with the helicopter in it). The issue comes about in the English regions where they only have one or two idents and most of the continuity is pre-recorded.
DK
DanielK
The generic one that is used before the 8pm update, its just the trailer board basically.
DA
David
DanielK posted:
The generic one that is used before the 8pm update, its just the trailer board basically.


I'm pretty sure the 8pm update goes straight in to the programme without any ident. It does on Wednesday after the hour long The One Show anyway. As it happens, it was the bicycle ident before BBC News at Six this evening (on BBC One South East anyway).

Some changes to BBC One Scotland this evening...
22:35 - 23:05 Panorama (Where's Our Aid Money Gone?) isn't on and has been replaced by:-
22:30 - 22:37 Reporting Scotland (02/12/2013)
22:37 - 22:40 BBC Weather (02/12/2013)
22:40 - 23:10 The Crash that Shook Scotland (n/a)

And on BBC Two Scotland...
23:00 - 23:20 Newsnight Scotland (02/12/2013) is on at the later time of 23:00 (was 22:30)
23:00 - 23:20 Newsnight Scotland (02/12/2013) is now on for 0 hours and 19 minutes at 23:00 (a decrease of 26 minutes)
22:30 - 23:00 Newsnight (02/12/2013) has been added to the schedule

And BBC News Channel...
22:30 - 22:45 The Crash that Shook Scotland (n/a) has been added to the schedule

And BBC Three (may not be related)...
21:00 - 21:30 Come Fly With Me (Episode 3) isn't on and has been replaced by:-
21:00 - 22:00 Don't Tell the Bride (Christmas Revenge 2012)

I thought it was odd that all day on Saturday the BBC were reporting that it had been announced that one person had been killed but the BBC understood that three people had died. What did that mean and what was I meant to take from that information?
BR
Brekkie
Markymark posted:
thegeek posted:
I've just watched back a snippet of Saturday evening's News Channel coverage. After the 30 minute Reporting Scotland special finished, it cut back to Gavin Grey in BH, who immediately threw to Sophie Long on the street in Glasgow, who interviewed Nicola Sturgeon down the line from Pacific Quay - to rehash the interview she'd done minutes previously in the Reporting Scotland studio.

Do the newsrooms not talk to each other? How did this benefit the viewer? Couldn't they have just done a recap of other news and then throw to Sportsday?


The whole business of 'regional' newsrooms covering major national incidents needs to be reviewed.
What did Reporting Scotland reveal in their 30 min programme, that hadn't already been revealed in
the national news immediately before, and on the News Channel ? Did nothing else happen in Scotland on Saturday (it was St Andrews Day after all ?)

None of this is new, the Dunblane network simulcast I mentioned up thread was one of the most ludicrous ideas I've seen.
Virtually the entire 30 mins of the network 6pm news was taken up with the story, OK, fine. So why then
was the entire UK treated to the first 15 mins of Reporting Scotland, which added nothing to what had
been covered by the national news ? I assume, all regions took the simulcast, here in the south, we were left
with Sally Taylor and a truncated edition of South Today.


It won't happen but a sensible option would be a co-hosted programme with the national and regional anchor leading the hour, and then splitting away as normal for the regional content.
GE
thegeek Founding member
David posted:
I thought it was odd that all day on Saturday the BBC were reporting that it had been announced that one person had been killed but the BBC understood that three people had died. What did that mean and what was I meant to take from that information?
I took it to mean that the police had officially confirmed one death; but information gathered by journalists on the ground was that three had died. I agree that it's an odd phrasing though. I think the online equivalent is to use scare quotes - ie 'Three dead' in helicopter crash .
SP
Steve in Pudsey
Brekkie posted:
It won't happen but a sensible option would be a co-hosted programme with the national and regional anchor leading the hour, and then splitting away as normal for the regional content.


I forget what the occasion was, but Jackie Bird anchored News 24 on location from some incident in Scotland once in this kind of situation.
:-(
A former member
Glasgow bombing?
GE
thegeek Founding member
She did after the Stockline Plastics factory explosion in 2004:
http://www.tvforum.co.uk/forums/post187465#post-187465

the thread also records that the ITV News Channel took Scotland Today's coverage for a while.
DE
deejay
DanielK posted:
The generic one that is used before the 8pm update, its just the trailer board basically.

That's not an ident as such - it's the start of the 8pm news - it's as much their title sequence as it is an ident (though I agree there's a hazy disticntion with this one.) Regardless, it's not something that lives in Red Bee's portfolio of idents and isn't something they could (or would) call up as a generic BBC One ident.

When idents are rested temporarily for editorial reasons there are usually enough options for it not to matter too much. As mentioned earlier in the thread, it's one of only 3 idents the regions have in their selection of 'News Friendly' idents (the others being Capes and Kites).

The nations, having their own presentation departments have as many idents as the network do (and occasionally additional ones like the Titanic idents that BBC NI had last year).

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