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noggin
Founding member
Be grateful you don't want to broadcast it... That would bump up the costs to anything from £400/30 seconds for some low-cost news agency stuff to over £10,000/minute for a movie - depending on the supplier. Not unusual for an ITV show to cost the BBC £1500 for a short burst if they can't fair deal it.
(Fair Dealing allows you to use a recording you've made yourself - usually off-air - or from a commercial DVD release for the purpose of reporting current events, or for criticism and review of the production itself. However when you're fair dealing you have to use the shortest clip you can to illustrate your point, and give the broadcaster, production company etc. an on-screen credit. The content must be in the public domain - i.e. have been broadcast or released commercially for sale to do this - and you have to be very sure that you're actually dealing with it fairly.)
(Fair Dealing allows you to use a recording you've made yourself - usually off-air - or from a commercial DVD release for the purpose of reporting current events, or for criticism and review of the production itself. However when you're fair dealing you have to use the shortest clip you can to illustrate your point, and give the broadcaster, production company etc. an on-screen credit. The content must be in the public domain - i.e. have been broadcast or released commercially for sale to do this - and you have to be very sure that you're actually dealing with it fairly.)
TR
It is worth pointing out that the BBC charges itself about £50 to have a digi copied onto DVD from the archive, ever since post production was outsourced, so it's no surprise they demand a greater fee from the public.
IS
Their Post Production hasn't been outsourced, it's still part of BBC Resources. However I don't trhink PP would deal with such matters, either the Information and Archives department (who have their own facilities) or Motion Gallery (part of Worldwide) deal with sales.
£50 for a dub is actually quite cheap
It is worth pointing out that the BBC charges itself about £50 to have a digi copied onto DVD from the archive, ever since post production was outsourced, so it's no surprise they demand a greater fee from the public.
Their Post Production hasn't been outsourced, it's still part of BBC Resources. However I don't trhink PP would deal with such matters, either the Information and Archives department (who have their own facilities) or Motion Gallery (part of Worldwide) deal with sales.
£50 for a dub is actually quite cheap
IS
Fair Dealing is how a programme like TV Burp or Screenwipe (or The Daily Show in the US) can use clips from other channels, they won't have to clear them before use. However I suspect that everything would have had to have been cleared/paid for the TV Burp DVD release.
In the case of films, they have a promotional window when they're released or re-released on DVD. I've known cases where a news programme has wanted to use a clip of a film to illustrate a story which I don't think was covered under fair dealing. The film had just been re-released on DVD so we could use a clip for free as long as it was captioned with the fact it was out at the moment.
It's amazing how many journalists and producers think it's ok just to use clips of films as they want, I don't know why but they always seem surprised when they find out that it costs several thousands pounds. The costs to use a clip of a TV drama or sit-com can also be quite high, even when it's a BBC News programme using a clip from a BBC production, often the artistes and writers will require payment too.
Fair Dealing also comes into effect in the case of obituraries - when a famous actor (for example) dies there is the general agreement that news programmes can use clips of their films and programmes for a limited amount of time afterwards.
Be grateful you don't want to broadcast it... That would bump up the costs to anything from £400/30 seconds for some low-cost news agency stuff to over £10,000/minute for a movie - depending on the supplier. Not unusual for an ITV show to cost the BBC £1500 for a short burst if they can't fair deal it.
(Fair Dealing allows you to use a recording you've made yourself - usually off-air - or from a commercial DVD release for the purpose of reporting current events, or for criticism and review of the production itself. However when you're fair dealing you have to use the shortest clip you can to illustrate your point, and give the broadcaster, production company etc. an on-screen credit. The content must be in the public domain - i.e. have been broadcast or released commercially for sale to do this - and you have to be very sure that you're actually dealing with it fairly.)
(Fair Dealing allows you to use a recording you've made yourself - usually off-air - or from a commercial DVD release for the purpose of reporting current events, or for criticism and review of the production itself. However when you're fair dealing you have to use the shortest clip you can to illustrate your point, and give the broadcaster, production company etc. an on-screen credit. The content must be in the public domain - i.e. have been broadcast or released commercially for sale to do this - and you have to be very sure that you're actually dealing with it fairly.)
Fair Dealing is how a programme like TV Burp or Screenwipe (or The Daily Show in the US) can use clips from other channels, they won't have to clear them before use. However I suspect that everything would have had to have been cleared/paid for the TV Burp DVD release.
In the case of films, they have a promotional window when they're released or re-released on DVD. I've known cases where a news programme has wanted to use a clip of a film to illustrate a story which I don't think was covered under fair dealing. The film had just been re-released on DVD so we could use a clip for free as long as it was captioned with the fact it was out at the moment.
It's amazing how many journalists and producers think it's ok just to use clips of films as they want, I don't know why but they always seem surprised when they find out that it costs several thousands pounds. The costs to use a clip of a TV drama or sit-com can also be quite high, even when it's a BBC News programme using a clip from a BBC production, often the artistes and writers will require payment too.
Fair Dealing also comes into effect in the case of obituraries - when a famous actor (for example) dies there is the general agreement that news programmes can use clips of their films and programmes for a limited amount of time afterwards.
Last edited by Inspector Sands on 13 October 2009 2:07pm
GS
Seems odd that you can use the fair dealing clause to create a pure entertainment show like TV Burp - Charlie Brooker's show I can almost understand because he tends to be closer to "reviewing" the material.
Not complaining about Burp, though!
Gavin Scott
Founding member
Fair Dealing is how a programme like TV Burp or Screenwipe (or The Daily Show in the US) can use clips from other channels, they won't have to clear them before use. However I suspect that everything would have had to have been cleared/paid for the TV Burp DVD release.
Seems odd that you can use the fair dealing clause to create a pure entertainment show like TV Burp - Charlie Brooker's show I can almost understand because he tends to be closer to "reviewing" the material.
Not complaining about Burp, though!
IS
Seems odd that you can use the fair dealing clause to create a pure entertainment show like TV Burp - Charlie Brooker's show I can almost understand because he tends to be closer to "reviewing" the material.
Not complaining about Burp, though!
It comes under review/criticism - he is reviewing/criticising the week's TV.
The clips are classic fair dealing - they are just what is needed to illustrate the point and they are fully credited. It is the only way they could do the production of course, paying and clearing the footage used would make it impossible
Seems odd that you can use the fair dealing clause to create a pure entertainment show like TV Burp - Charlie Brooker's show I can almost understand because he tends to be closer to "reviewing" the material.
Not complaining about Burp, though!
It comes under review/criticism - he is reviewing/criticising the week's TV.
The clips are classic fair dealing - they are just what is needed to illustrate the point and they are fully credited. It is the only way they could do the production of course, paying and clearing the footage used would make it impossible