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MA
Markymark
JAS84 posted:
Why doesn't Sky UK do that Favourites thing? 1-99 aren't used there either.

Because EPG slots are earned and protected by law and they don't want people to change their order.



Ofcom/DCMS would have a fit if they ever came and changed channel on my tellies then.

What's next, Car Radios with BBC R1-5 on the first five presets ?
BR
Brekkie
twolf posted:

What exactly do you expect them to do with their feet?


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Very Happy I'm not sure.... put them flat on the floor? Who naturally sits with one foot on top of the other so only one touches the floor?

Who naturally sits with their feet flat on the floor?
TW
twolf
It's great there are others here who know lots about german broadcasting, I'm not an expert so please correct any errors or add other information!

From yesterday's schedule, a closer look at the presentation of Das Erste - the main national channel from broadcaster ARD. Member regional broadcasters provide content for the main channel.

Transitions between programmes and / or trailers is done by a 'rolling up' animation and 'swoosh' sound as shown here - the junction between the end of the news update and afternoon magazine programme Brisant.



Interestingly, although ARD (and ZDF) are financed through a monthly levy of €17.50 charged to all households, ARD is allowed to show commercials between shows apart from during primetime. This is shown below in the junction at the end of Brisant into some show trailers and then into the commercials. We also see adverts for the Das Erste Audiothek (Audio player) and the fact that some show are already available on the Mediathek (iplayer) or will be shown again later on a different channel.



Here's the junction at the end of the commercials into daily quiz Gefragt Gejägt (The Chase). You also get to see a common feature of german television - the 'just one more commerical' and timer countdown into the next programme.



At 20:00 every night, the Tagesschau is broadcast - the main news programme of the day that is usually one of the most watched shows on television every day. It is 15 minutes long. Here is the countdown to it beginning.



After the Tagesschau, at 20:15, primetime begins. 20:15 is the standard start time for primetime across all channels, as they all line up their schedules to begin primetime at 20:15 as so many people traditionally watch the news on Das Erste.
Here's the transition straight from the end of one show, straight into a 'ident' style introduction of 'Crimeshow Thursdays' before the Crime Drama begins.

MI
mici0123
JAS84 posted:
Why doesn't Sky UK do that Favourites thing? 1-99 aren't used there either.


Because pressing 0 on a Sky box causes it to think you're punching a four digit number in, as all the radio stations are 0xxx on Sky, and everything else is three digits.


You don't press 0. If you want to go to channel 15 for example you press '1', '5' and then you either wait for it to realise you don't want to enter a third digit or you press the 'OK' button.
MI
mici0123
JAS84 posted:
Why doesn't Sky UK do that Favourites thing? 1-99 aren't used there either.


Because pressing 0 on a Sky box causes it to think you're punching a four digit number in, as all the radio stations are 0xxx on Sky, and everything else is three digits.


You don't press 0. If you want to go to channel 15 for example you press '1', '5' and then you either wait for it to realise you don't want to enter a third digit or you press the 'OK' button.

@twolf: Adverts are allowed from 6am to 8pm outside childrens programming on the two main channels only. And only a certain amount. So they will show the most adverts just before 8pm when most people are watching during that 6 to 8 timeslot. Only exception to that rule are sporting events, aka the World Cup, Euros, Olympics, Champions League, the DFB Cup and the Bundesliga, when they are allowed to show advertising after 8pm.

Like when ZDF showed the Champions League Final last week:
https://streamable.com/yrio5l
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NJ
Neil Jones Founding member
JAS84 posted:
Why doesn't Sky UK do that Favourites thing? 1-99 aren't used there either.


Because pressing 0 on a Sky box causes it to think you're punching a four digit number in, as all the radio stations are 0xxx on Sky, and everything else is three digits.


You don't press 0. If you want to go to channel 15 for example you press '1', '5' and then you either wait for it to realise you don't want to enter a third digit or you press the 'OK' button.


Sorry, that was probably my fault, I meant the way the Sky system is set up currently means that all channels have to have a three digit number and radio stations have a four digit number, and it is not possible at this time to have a two digit Sky channel number like you get on Freeview.

I see no reason why it couldn't be done though, but I can only presume it was for cosmetic (maybe technical?) reasons why the channels start at 101 on Sky.
TH
Thinker
JAS84 posted:
That's odd. I would've expected ProSeiben to the channel 7 on the EPG, as it's name literally means Programme Seven.


Back in the analogue days there was a function in many TV sets that would sort your channels in a logical order. I'm not sure how it worked, it's possible the analogue channel IDs were stored in the TV set and accessed once you told it which country you were in.

Anyway, I once did a channel search on analogue cable in Berlin and the TV set automatically placed ProSieben on channel 6. Channels 3, 4 and 5 were RTL, Sat. 1 and possibly RTL II.

I distinctly remember thinking it was weird that ProSieben was on channel 6. But I reasoned that you were actually supposed to move your local Dritte channel to channel 3, which would shift the others upward and place ProSieben on channel 7.

The LCNs on DTT in Berlin didn't make much sense. Das Erste and ZDF were on 1 and 2, followed by the some of the major private stations in no particular order. The lowest placed public station other than the the two main ones was, quite randomly, Arte on LCN 8. RBB Fernsehen, which should have been LCN 3 was placed on LCN 22 or something. (I haven't seen the LCN list after the T2 switch.)
IS
Inspector Sands

Ofcom/DCMS would have a fit if they ever came and changed channel on my tellies then.

It's more about competition concerns with third party channels on a proprietry platform like Sky or a cable company.

The original Sky EPG numbers were allocated in 3s according to their popularity in the analogue world and then new channels added on the end.


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What's next, Car Radios with BBC R1-5 on the first five presets ?

Not a platform let alone a property one.

Reminds me of a DJ I heard on Capital years ago who said 'we're the station that's your number 1 preset.... I think you know what I mean'
GE
thegeek Founding member
Can I mention how much I love ZDF's theme tune for Das Aktuelle Sportstudio?



(They did a couple of episodes from London during the 2017 IAAF World Championships and brought the clock with them)

Here's the premiere of the theme tune from 1965:
Night Thoughts, mici0123 and valley gave kudos
VA
valley
Can I mention how much I love ZDF's theme tune for Das Aktuelle Sportstudio?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILFtx5nkb1A

It's a great tune! I think they use a CGI clock now, though. (Sidenote, that Steadicam shot at the top is mildly headache-inducing...)
TR
trivialmatters
twolf posted:
Here's the junction at the end of the commercials into daily quiz Gefragt Gejägt (The Chase).



Do they record that version on the UK set as I notice the 'chaser' sits in a big red letter C, which obviously bears no relation to the German title of the show.
VA
valley
twolf posted:
Here's the junction at the end of the commercials into daily quiz Gefragt Gejägt (The Chase).



Do they record that version on the UK set as I notice the 'chaser' sits in a big red letter C, which obviously bears no relation to the German title of the show.

I think it's filmed at Studio Hamburg's facilities, but it might well use the UK set... I know a few quiz formats filmed across Europe use the same set which is transported around (some even have two sets for that purpose).

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