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ITV Wales and S4C in particular! (January 2005)

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Johnny83
Inspector Sands posted:
Johnny83 posted:
Not taking the p*ss at all BTW but do they speak much Welsh in Wales & the same goes for Gaelic langauges in Scotland, Eire & Northern Ireland.

I'm not taking the p*ss BTW because "Cockney English" is mainly dead in East London, although no real Cockney's used Rhyming Slang


What is 'Cockney English'? and what does it have to do with Welsh and Gaelic languages?


Supposedly "Cockeny English" is rhyming slang like:

Apple & Pairs - Stairs (never known a phrase where this is used)
China Plate - Mate "Alright me old China"
Whistle & Flute -Suit "That's a sharp new whistle"
Dog & Bone - Phone "Get on the dog & call Dave"

My mum was born in Bow (E2) she never used any Cockney Rhyming Slang at all, neither did a lot of people back then & I was born in Whitechapel (E1) (although live in Ilford Crying or Very sad Since)

Not connected to Welsh really

However hasn't "Cornish" become popular again?
IS
Inspector Sands
Johnny83 posted:
Supposedly "Cockeny English" is rhyming slang like:

Apple & Pairs - Stairs (never known a phrase where this is used)
China Plate - Mate "Alright me old China"
Whistle & Flute -Suit "That's a sharp new whistle"
Dog & Bone - Phone "Get on the dog & call Dave"

My mum was born in Bow (E2) she never used any Cockney Rhyming Slang at all, neither did a lot of people back then & I was born in Whitechapel (E1) (although live in Ilford Crying or Very sad Since)


I know what you're refering to and it's not a language, it's just slang just like in many other parts of the country. And you're right it isn't really spoken, but some has moved into common useage


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However hasn't "Cornish" become popular again?


Not popular in the traditional sense of the word - it's barely spoken at all and there are no native speakers of it (the last one died in the 1800's). I think it is having a bit of a renaissance though - the BBC do a cornish news bulletin
JO
Johnny83
Inspector Sands posted:
Johnny83 posted:
Supposedly "Cockeny English" is rhyming slang like:

Apple & Pairs - Stairs (never known a phrase where this is used)
China Plate - Mate "Alright me old China"
Whistle & Flute -Suit "That's a sharp new whistle"
Dog & Bone - Phone "Get on the dog & call Dave"

My mum was born in Bow (E2) she never used any Cockney Rhyming Slang at all, neither did a lot of people back then & I was born in Whitechapel (E1) (although live in Ilford Crying or Very sad Since)


I know what you're refering to and it's not a language, it's just slang just like in many other parts of the country. And you're right it isn't really spoken, but some has moved into common useage


Quote:

However hasn't "Cornish" become popular again?


Not popular in the traditional sense of the word - it's barely spoken at all and there are no native speakers of it (the last one died in the 1800's). I think it is having a bit of a renaissance though - the BBC do a cornish news bulletin


You're probably right about Cockney Rhyming Slang

However has Cornish been re-recognised as a language a couple of years
IS
Inspector Sands
Johnny83 posted:

However has Cornish been re-recognised as a language a couple of years


It's always been a language, it's just not been in common usage. Have a look here: http://www.cornish-language.org/english/faq.asp

And the BBC teach it here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cornwall/connected/stories/new_cornwall_language1.shtml
BR
Brekkie
Does anyone know if there is an unaired series of Pam Fi Duw in the S4C vaults?

This excellent series ran for five years but came to an abrupt hault when it's creator was accused of child abuse and subsequently committed suicide.

Very difficult to find info about the series, S4C haven't shown it or repeated it since, but articles about the suicide quote the producers being told to continue making the series.
ZO
Zoltan
Yes - to the best of my knowledge. But I doubt it will ever be shown.

14 days later

OH
ohwhatanight Founding member
Ofcom to rule on ITV regions
ITV will learn on Tuesday whether it can push forward with controversial plans to axe regional programming when Ofcom publishes it final PSB conclusions.
JO
Johnny83
ohwhatanight posted:
Ofcom to rule on ITV regions
ITV will learn on Tuesday whether it can push forward with controversial plans to axe regional programming when Ofcom publishes it final PSB conclusions.


Does that mean no more London Tonight Crying or Very sad
JE
Jez Founding member
Johnny83 posted:
ohwhatanight posted:
Ofcom to rule on ITV regions
ITV will learn on Tuesday whether it can push forward with controversial plans to axe regional programming when Ofcom publishes it final PSB conclusions.


Does that mean no more London Tonight Crying or Very sad


i dont think the regional news bulletins are going, just the regional programmes shown at 7.30pm and other times during the week.
JO
Johnny83
Phew

I can't stand BBC London News

not too fussed about the 7:30pm slot although didn't mind the programme about the London Underground
BR
Brekkie
Just to point out that the OFCOM review has sliced just half an hour of ITV Wales's regional commitments - 4 hours of non-news programmes instead of 4 1/2 hours. This compare to a 50% cut for English regions.

The future of S4C is less certain though - and will probably be linked in with the review of the BBC charter.

Anyone with more info, please add.

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