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Andrew13,610 posts since 27 Mar 2001
I'm currently watching Border, and I have to say Lookaround looks very poor.

Border show a Hearts Menu at 6pm, complete with a long version of the Hearts
music, this is done in-house, and isn't voiced by the Leeds announcer.

The ident after this goes straight into Lookaround without an announcement

The studio looks like it took 5 minutes to build, for some reason the
presenters are sat in the middle of nowhere on big office style chairs.

The presenters don't seem that confident working with the headline bed and
stings.

The female presenter looks half asleep too!

Border Weather uses the same titles as Granada Weather, it is presented out
of vision, but not by the Leeds Weather Centre
Jason0 post since 13 Dec 2011
>Border show a Hearts Menu at 6pm, complete with a long version of the Hearts
music, this is done in-house, and isn't voiced by the Leeds announcer.

lucky them -- Leeds is the worst continuity in the country. At least Border get some escape from it!!

>The ident after this goes straight into Lookaround without an announcement

A traditional pre-programme ident. Again so much better than that Leeds crap.

>The studio looks like it took 5 minutes to build, for some reason the
presenters are sat in the middle of nowhere on big office style chairs.

At least they don't have Mike Morris Wink
james
Border seem to be the most independant GMG company from Leeds
james
Well, it seems to me that Granada Media are happy to let YTV control the presention for their Northern Franchises. If Granada Television were controlling it maybe we`d be seeing something a bit different now, having said that Granada Media/Television, I think their really both the same thing or they dont know themselfs the difference between the two judging by recent endcaps.

However that does not explain why Border seem to have a bit more independance from their Northern neighbours. Does someone from Lookaround v/o this program menu then, I havn`t seen it yet
Jason0 post since 13 Dec 2011
To be honest if it were not for *good* stations that I can now receive like UTV, HTV, London and SMG I'd be looking forward to the day that itv1 becomes one station as far as continuity is concerned.

I fail to perceive any situation in which any national network could possibly, in any way, shape or form, have a continuity system as fundamentally boring, useless, crap and dismal as the very best that Leeds have to offer, never mind the muck we're normally force-fed. The trailers are crap, the presentation is crap, the announcers are crap, they can't even align a recorded announcement properly and they give absolutely bugger all coherent information.

In fact it would be better if they sacked all their announcers at Leeds and left us with no announcements at all.
Asa3,529 posts since 22 Mar 2001 Administrator
You feel quite strongly about this, don't you Jason! Very Happy

Seriously, I can see your point certainly with continuity. It is so refreshing to hear 'Good evening, this is Carlton. I hope you've had a good day. Our Thursday kicks off with...'

As gimmicky as it may be, it just makes a refreshing change - I mean, even BBC One are trying out friendlier continuity! And that invision on UTV is great - nice to see it some broadcasters think it has a place in the 21st century.

Cheers, Asa
Andrew13,610 posts since 27 Mar 2001
Getting back on topic:

I watched Border again tonight.

The ident before the late BORDER NEWS was announcer less, and hardly had time to form up.

The BORDER NEWS titles are quite long, about double what Calendar News' titles are!

The set is plain blue with a Border News logo!
Jason0 post since 13 Dec 2011
I think that Border do a very good job.

Like I say, the announcer-less Border ident going into the news is deliberate. It's a tradition that Border have had for many years (as did most of the IVA stations) and I think that it's fair play to them that they are prepared to keep some traditions.

As for the titles, well they are obviously the same ones they use for Lookaround. Yes they drag a little with the short bulletins, but that really is a minor gripe.

And I think that news studios (for short bulletins) should be as plain as possible. To cluttered and it just looks, well, wrong really. Again I think Border's is a very tasteful design.

For such a small company Border comes out with a lot of credit. It may not be apparent to people who live in the large, faceless regions like YTV that people in the smaller regions like the homely feel that a small station gives. Far better than expensive, flashy graphics.
harshy6,165 posts since 24 Mar 2001
james posted:
Border seem to be the most independant GMG company from Leeds


As well as LWT, wow lucky londoners, BBC LDN, Carlton and LWT idents!

(Edited by harshy at 11:24 am on Nov. 10, 2001)
harshy6,165 posts since 24 Mar 2001
jason posted:
I think that Border do a very good job.

Like I say, the announcer-less Border ident going into the news is deliberate. It's a tradition that Border have had for many years (as did most of the IVA stations) and I think that it's fair play to them that they are prepared to keep some traditions.

As for the titles, well they are obviously the same ones they use for Lookaround. Yes they drag a little with the short bulletins, but that really is a minor gripe.

And I think that news studios (for short bulletins) should be as plain as possible. To cluttered and it just looks, well, wrong really. Again I think Border's is a very tasteful design.

For such a small company Border comes out with a lot of credit. It may not be apparent to people who live in the large, faceless regions like YTV that people in the smaller regions like the homely feel that a small station gives. Far better than expensive, flashy graphics.


I've got a few clips from Lookaround, yes they have always used the longer ident straight into Lookaround, I quite like it, it feels like you are watching Border's flagshiop programme.

I agree with all your comments on Leeds continuity, it's terrible!
Andrew13,610 posts since 27 Mar 2001
The ' BORDER NEWS' tiles are 15 seconds long!

This compares with
Calendar News - 6 seconds
London Tonight (News) - 4 seconds
Granada News - 6 seconds

The presenter was the same women who co-presenter Lookaround yesterday, and also did the late Border News last night!
Have they only got 2 presenters?!!

(Edited by Andrew at 1:41 pm on Nov. 10, 2001)