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Filmic Effect

Again (October 2005)

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PO
Pootle5
mulder posted:
Pootle5 posted:
I noticed its use last night too but found a setting on my TV ("live") that alters the brightness and contrast to reduce the effect.

I don't like the filmic effect at all for comedy, light entertainment or soaps (or Grange Hill), it seems to put a "barrier" between my eyes and the action on screen, it doesn't look real somehow, but at the same time it looks more relaistic than bright studio lights etc - I don't understand why this is! Does anyone know what I mean, and can you explain how it makes the programme feel different and distant?


I'll just say it in an uncomplicated way if I can. Normal TV is 'interlaced', which means each of the 25 frames per second comes in 2 parts, which are called fields. Each of the fields could be thought of as a frame in it's own right, or a half-frame. This means it's got the effect of 50fps, giving it smoother motion, and therefore it's more life like. Film / Filmic effected video is 25fps, without any interlacing, so it looks slower and more jerky and less life-like. Film itself has a quality to it that makes things seem quite dark, so they probably add some extra effects to filmic video to mimic this too.

I think somebody should try and make a programme as they did in the 70s and 80s. Use filmic on outdoor scenes and normal video on indoor scenes. See how it works.


Thank you for explaining that so well - I think I get it now!
DJ
DJGM
Another show that doesn't need the filmic effect is Jack Dee Live At The Apollo , which is on BBC ONE right now.
JA
james2001 Founding member
mulder posted:
I think somebody should try and make a programme as they did in the 70s and 80s. Use filmic on outdoor scenes and normal video on indoor scenes. See how it works.


It wasn't filmic though- it actually was film. And it was only used because of the sheer size of Video equipment at that time meant it wasn't possible to use it out of a studio.
NU
The Nurse
nodnirG kraM posted:
Was Red Dwarf VII filmic or did they just forget to turn the lamps on in some scenes?


That one went down like a lead baloon as I recall, along with the abandoning of the live audience. Hence why Red Dwarf VIII was back in lovely interlaced video! Not sure about the live audience though.
GM
nodnirG kraM
The Nurse posted:
That one went down like a lead baloon as I recall, along with the abandoning of the live audience.

Oi - I was in that!
CA
Cappsy
The Nurse posted:
nodnirG kraM posted:
Was Red Dwarf VII filmic or did they just forget to turn the lamps on in some scenes?


That one went down like a lead baloon as I recall, along with the abandoning of the live audience. Hence why Red Dwarf VIII was back in lovely interlaced video! Not sure about the live audience though.


Well, VII still did have a live audience... It's just that the laughter track was recorded at a seperate screening of the episode, as non of the scenes were shot in front of an audience. It was an experiement conducted by Ed Bye, Rob Grant and Doug Naylor, as wanted to try out a style of shooting closer related to a proper film.

Series VIII moved back to the previous style (used in 1 to VI), which was recording scenes 'live' in front of an audience where ever possible.
DA
davidhorman
Quote:
It was an experiement conducted by Ed Bye, Rob Grant and Doug Naylor


Rob Grant wasn't involved after series VI, which I think is a more likely explanation for why Red Dwarf suddenly stopped being funny.

David
CA
Cappsy
davidhorman posted:
Quote:
It was an experiement conducted by Ed Bye, Rob Grant and Doug Naylor


Rob Grant wasn't involved after series VI, which I think is a more likely explanation for why Red Dwarf suddenly stopped being funny.

David


Oh my good god, I can't believe I did that... *smacks head forcfully against a brick wall*
NU
The Nurse
nodnirG kraM posted:
The Nurse posted:
That one went down like a lead baloon as I recall, along with the abandoning of the live audience.

Oi - I was in that!


Haha, sorry I meant the film effect not the whole series! Although I am a firm supporter of the "series 7 and 8 weren't as good as the others" belief.

There were some good episodes though, "Tikka To Ride" is excellent, and definitely the best episode title!! Also that one where Kryten builds a Rimmer tribute in the VR suite is good. And Chloe Annet is fit. But it wasn't right without the original crew. Series 8 had potential but they changed the whole set-up by putting them in prison and having a much larger supporting cast.

Oops, off topic. Sorry.
CW
cwathen Founding member
Quote:
I think somebody should try and make a programme as they did in the 70s and 80s. Use filmic on outdoor scenes and normal video on indoor scenes. See how it works.

You want to see a return to outdoor scenes shot on ropey 16mm film and then cutting in a hideously clashing way with video for studio shots?
JA
james2001 Founding member
One Foot In The Grave & Only Fools And Horses were both shot that way into this century! I can't imagine why though, the process has been redundant since the mid 1980s. Nothing else had been made that way since the late 80s (bar Waiting For God and the first series of As Time Goes By for some odd reason).
PE
Pete Founding member
james2001 posted:
One Foot In The Grave & Only Fools And Horses were both shot that way into this century! I can't imagine why though, the process has been redundant since the mid 1980s. Nothing else had been made that way since the late 80s (bar Waiting For God and the first series of As Time Goes By for some odd reason).


Stylistic reasons perhaps? Like how in Austin Powers they did the old fashioned thing with the shots inside a car and the moving background behind them.

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