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UKnews813 posts since 26 Apr 2011
I read in that thread that BBC1 could broadcast 5Live audio if they needed to. Didn't they do that once with the picture being the breakdown slide? Seem to remember it happening when there was a big match in Austria and lightning knocked out the signal so they eventually continued in audio only (from 5Live) until the feed came back.

It was Euro 2008, a severe thunderstorm caused a power cut which knocked out the IBC, taking down the world feed. IIRC all broadcasters around the world lost coverage, with the exception of local broadcaster SRF who had their own feed.


BBC One quickly put up the breakdown slide with 5 live audio, with the occasional apology from the announcer explaining what had happened. As the IBC started to come back online I believe they gained access to a clean feed without graphics or commentary, so stuck with 5 live audio, until the proper world feed was restored.

If I’m remembering correctly the power outage during the thunderstorm happened because of a fault with the standby generator at the IBC in Vienna, despite the fact it had been tested not long before.


Have to say it wasn’t the quickest response from BBC One pres that night. When the pictures first went the frozen / scrolling picture was left on screen for about 90 seconds before the apology caption went up. After another delay I seem to remember the 5 Live audio was faded up, then dipped for an apology announcement just as they were welcoming BBC 1 viewers and explaining the situation. That happened because someone watching at home (me) phoned the 5 Live studio- they’d noticed pictures had been lost but weren’t aware they were going out in their place. As you say there was eventually a combination of clean pictures and 5 Live audio. Fortunately that was in an ISDN direct to TVC and wasn’t passing through the IBC. For the last two World Cups and other major events (like the Olympics) the radio audio has been on circuits via the IBC.

I’ve a feeling the pictures may have gone again for another period a short while after they came back. They were quicker on the apology caption the second time I think.

Apparently there was an EBU reserve that didn’t pass through the IBC and which was being downlinked by (the outsourced) sat ops at TVC being passed on to ITV for their highlights. It hasn’t been booked through to BBC One playout though, the BBC reserve was also via the IBC. At the time ITV were regularly producing sports coverage for Al Jazeera, so if correct that’s how’s they kept pictures. They also apparently had an ISDN carrying a reserve feed of their commentary (not via the IBC), so got that back very quickly as well. I’ve a feeling that EBU reserve feed was what first appeared on BBC One, before the IBC was fully back up and running.
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VMPhil9,611 posts since 31 Mar 2005
Granada North West Today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-G9k04JmZk

Judging from the announcer it appears the live football was already a change of schedule. There's a long pause after the trail and the announcer goes through most of the night's menu, so it seems they were ready for the programme to start a bit late but it still wasn't starting. It's unfortunate that the ident doesn't have a hold after the soundtrack finishes which would have looked better than forcing him to announce over a blank screen.
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VMPhil9,611 posts since 31 Mar 2005
Granada North West Today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-G9k04JmZk

Judging from the announcer it appears the live football was already a change of schedule. There's a long pause after the trail and the announcer goes through most of the night's menu, so it seems they were ready for the programme to start a bit late but it still wasn't starting. It's unfortunate that the ident doesn't have a hold after the soundtrack finishes which would have looked better than forcing him to announce over a blank screen.


Or it may have looked better had they gone to a menu screen rather than the ident. Static graphics have their place.

I don't think there was enough time between the ident ending and the programme starting to do that. I think if it had continued to be delayed they would have cut to a breakdown slide or menu, but it came up soon enough anyway.
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Neil Jones5,245 posts since 23 Dec 2001
Central (West) Midlands Today
That Channel 5 ident only seems to run for 25 seconds, unless there was a pre-hold that they didn't air. Seems a bit short, most others I've seen from other networks seem to be about 30/35 seconds. If that had been another ten seconds or so it would have covered the period of black easily.
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Si-Co2,122 posts since 2 Oct 2003
Tyne Tees Look North (North East)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-G9k04JmZk

Judging from the announcer it appears the live football was already a change of schedule. There's a long pause after the trail and the announcer goes through most of the night's menu, so it seems they were ready for the programme to start a bit late but it still wasn't starting. It's unfortunate that the ident doesn't have a hold after the soundtrack finishes which would have looked better than forcing him to announce over a blank screen.


Or it may have looked better had they gone to a menu screen rather than the ident. Static graphics have their place.


I agree, though I don’t recall seeing menu screens on Five in that era. They could have cut to a couple of slides I guess. Perhaps they weren’t expecting the announcer to have to fill for that long - he (Bill Buckley, formerly of That’s Life!, incidentally) seemed to be expecting the football to start after his initial announcement.
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Riaz604 posts since 6 Jan 2016
Somewhere I have a recording of a cartoon with a caption apologising for the loss of sound in a particular area due to a transmitter fault. If I manage to find it I will upload it.
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Lewismpsmith69 posts since 12 May 2018
Meridian (South East) South East Today
Date: 17th January 2001

Description (from TV Home):

A channel unavailable on the EPG had been broadcasting a Channel 5 widescreen test when it changed to the SKY Sports 2 match Aston Villa v Newcastle. It was the raw feed, as broadcast from the studio in the ground and the match itself. The feed was turned on 2 hours before the match and showed Richard Keys (presenter) preparing for the show. Sadly I missed that bit and only caught the content after the match. Because it was broadcast from the ground, it included everything that was broadcast when normally the adverts would be shown. The first two downloads are from the separate advert breaks and the last one is a highlights show, recorded almost immediately after the presenter said bye from the live show.





BillyH1,312 posts since 4 Jan 2003
London London
On March 5th, 1995, viewers in the East of England lost Channel 4 coverage for an hour and twenty minutes. This slide was displayed shortly after the signal returned with an apology from the announcer.

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(uploaded by me onto the PP many years ago, along with an annoyingly-compressed video of the apology)
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