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What was your favorite regional ITV station growing up?

A question asking which ITV station you grew up watching.

IS
Inspector Sands
From what I recall from an old post, the network arrangements for GMTV weren’t as simple as taking the network feed, as there were multiple feeds originating from the South Bank for each advertising region. The splats at 6 and 9.25 were said to be the reconfiguring from the 6 outputs back to 1 main network feed.

Yes although there wasn't a 'network feed' in the early days of GMTV and at 9:25 the stations were taking over with their local content rather than anything networked
MA
Markymark Meridian (Thames Valley) South Today
The IBA as it then was had to switch over the transmitter signals between TV-AM and the regions. Did the existence of local news on GMTV mean that transmitter had be reconfigured to create a smoother broadcast setup? By that I mean with 24 hour tv established by 1993 GMTV could switch back and forth with the regions automatically?


Technically it was BT who did the switching but anyway... Wink And also by 1993 the IBA had long gone, having been effectively disbanded in 1991 in favour of the ITC.

I believe by 1993 the networking arrangements had changed, and GMTV came out of the London Studios, as did Carlton's output for London weekday, so it probably wasn't really necessary for London to switch transmitter sources, considering it was coming out the same building. I'm sure its been discussed here many times before but I believe the easiest way to do the opt-out for the regions would be just the normal network feed and opt in and out of that. No different to taking any other programme.



Basically, TV-am signal went directly from them to the transmitters, using the main 'ITV' distribution network. BT by-passed all the regional ITV companies. TV-am was a totally separate franchise to the regional ITV ones, so it was only right and proper that they shouldn't have any 'access' to TV-am's signal. The arrangement also ensured they (ITV comps) didn't need to man their MCRs to babysit the signal pass through (what would have been in it for them anyway ?)

Come 1993, and GMTV was a bit more of a member of the 'ITV family' due to its ownership, and had reached agreement with most of them, to provide regional news opt outs, so there was a contractual arrangement. So the opting out, was basically the same as coming in and out of network during the rest of the day.

There was nothing technically in 1983 that had prevented TV-am from doing the same, but they chose not to.
TJ
TedJrr Anglia (East) Look East
TV-am sold its spots in macro-regions. The ads were played-out from the egg-cup place in Camden, and a TV-am facility in Manchester (originally ABC's old centre in Didsbury?). The various macro-regions were sent over the IBA's BT leased ccts, one complexity being the insertion of the Oracle teletext; in order to do this the IBA installed its data-bridges into BT locations, like PO Tower.

The ITV regions were switched-out by having timed switches in the "U" links section of the exchange serving the ITV contractor.

GMTV was, as has been said, a different story.

The new teletext licensee "Teletext" was fed to the main tx by BT kilostream lines, so the requirement for data-bridges went away.

Having regional insets commissioned from the ITV licensees was (wasn't it?) supposed to have been very cost economic. So, to reduce the staff needed to handle opt-outs, etc, there was a system for centrally switching the opts. Presumably, (speculation) GMTV actually had its own equipment in ITV company's racks to handle the switching. This would have to be made quiescent outside GMTV's airtime.
JA
james-2001 Central (East) East Midlands Today
According to someone I know who worked at Central there the transmission area was taken out of line between 6 and 9:25 and the opt was done just by the news studio.


That would explain why teletext disappeared during the opts, then.
JA
james-2001 Central (East) East Midlands Today
I've seen videos with random frames of the wrong region's ident just before 6.00, not quite sure how they managed that but it does suggest a more complex switching operation.


Several examples of that on the Meldrum Private Parts. Also colour bars and even one of an empty news studio as well which seems very strange.
SW
Steve Williams
Indeed regional news was part and parcel of all applications for the new breakfast franchise in 1980. I do remember the BBC really excelling in this, providing proper regional opt outs every half hour for three minutes each or so (except for viewers in London and the South East who had Frank Bough or Selina Scott providing their regional news).


This isn't right, even before the South East became a proper region, there were South East opts on Breakfast Time from day one in 1983, with a dedicated presenter. What is the case is that the South East opts often didn't contain much if any actual news, instead featuring weather, travel and, to fill the gap, the 60 Second Recipe.
MA
Markymark Meridian (Thames Valley) South Today
TV-am sold its spots in macro-regions. The ads were played-out from the egg-cup place in Camden, and a TV-am facility in Manchester (originally ABC's old centre in Didsbury?).


Wilmslow, in Cheshire. Which also meant separate circuits 'up country' didn't have to originate in London
TI
timbouk
In the early days GMTV in Scotland had separate children programmes during the earlier Scottish school holidays. How did that work ?
MA
Markymark Meridian (Thames Valley) South Today
In the early days GMTV in Scotland had separate children programmes during the earlier Scottish school holidays. How did that work ?


I suspect STV/Grampian opted out in the normal way ? STV were one of GMTV's shareholder companies I think ?
JA
james-2001 Central (East) East Midlands Today
Yes, STV had a 25% stake in GMTV until well into the 00s.
IS
Inspector Sands
According to someone I know who worked at Central there the transmission area was taken out of line between 6 and 9:25 and the opt was done just by the news studio.


That would explain why teletext disappeared during the opts, then.

Teletext with a capital T shouldn't have as that was put in at the transmitters. The 'ancillary' service on p600 might have as that will have been GMTVs during those times
BL
bluecortina
TV-am sold its spots in macro-regions. The ads were played-out from the egg-cup place in Camden, and a TV-am facility in Manchester (originally ABC's old centre in Didsbury?). The various macro-regions were sent over the IBA's BT leased ccts, one complexity being the insertion of the Oracle teletext; in order to do this the IBA installed its data-bridges into BT locations, like PO Tower.

The ITV regions were switched-out by having timed switches in the "U" links section of the exchange serving the ITV contractor.

GMTV was, as has been said, a different story.

The new teletext licensee "Teletext" was fed to the main tx by BT kilostream lines, so the requirement for data-bridges went away.

Having regional insets commissioned from the ITV licensees was (wasn't it?) supposed to have been very cost economic. So, to reduce the staff needed to handle opt-outs, etc, there was a system for centrally switching the opts. Presumably, (speculation) GMTV actually had its own equipment in ITV company's racks to handle the switching. This would have to be made quiescent outside GMTV's airtime.


Yes. The remote ‘opt boxes’ (my terminology) were controlled by a 1U panel in front of the director, it controlled cue dots on and off and the remote switching. I can’t remember what TV line it was embedded on, I worked with the chap who designed and built it.

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