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Eurovision Song Contest - Belgrade 2008

(February 2008)

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MA
marbles333
Tumble Tower posted:


The thing is though, Eurovision.tv lists the countries as follows:
Yugoslaviafirst entry 1961, last entry 1992 (NOT 1991).
Serbia & Montenegrofirst entry 2004 (NOT 1992), last entry 2006 (withdrawn that year).
Serbiafirst entry 2007

If you scroll to the very bottom of the page, you'll see the EBU/UER logo and copyright notice "Copyright EBU 2004-2008 All rights reserved.". Therefore Eurovision.tv is the official Eurovision web site of the European Broadcasting Union, and must be the official source for details of past Eurovision Song Contests. Surely as far as the EBU are concerned, the 1992 Yugoslavia entry was Yugoslavia's last ever entry, even if the geographical area represented was smaller than 1961-1991, whereas Serbia & Montenegro's first ever entry was 2004.

Serbia first entered as an independent country in 2007, and won that very same year, making them the first ever country to win with its very first song entered. I say that because in the very first contest, Switzerland won with its second song of the night, not its first.

If the Eurovision.tv "History by country" had been politically correct, as you put it, what should the year ranges have been for:

1) SFR Yugoslavia
2) FR Yugoslavia
3) Serbia & Montenegro
4) Serbia


Yes I know its the official site, but it doesn't mean to say its totally politically correct, however its not vital for the readers to know.

Politically correct, it would be:
1) SFR Yugoslavia 1961-1991
2) FR Yugoslavia (aka Serbia & Montenegro) 1992, 2004-2006
4) Serbia (2007-)

However since the average joe watching Eurovision won't be bothered by that fact, the official Eurovision site would not go into such intracate information.

Most people would not know the difference between SFR Yugoslavia and FR Yugoslavia, so its not totally important to the Eurovision site I shouldn't imagine.

Also worthy of note is that the flag used on the Eurovision.tv page for Yugoslavia was only used up until 1991. In the 1992 contest, FR Yugoslavia competed using the Tricolour devoid of the red star of Socialism.

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TT
Tumble Tower
onetrickpony posted:
Well i can see Georgia doing well in the next Eurovision.

According to Wikipedia, Georgia have announced their withdrawal from the 2009 Eurovision Song Contest.

To think that their entry this year was "Peace Will Come". Isn't it sad that this was followed a couple of months later by the problems in South Ossetia? I just wish peace will come to South Ossetia.
NG
noggin Founding member
Yes - not surprising that Georgia don't want to attend the contest as it is being held in Russia. Wonder if relations between Russia and Ukraine will also get worse over the next 6 or so months...
RW
Robert Williams Founding member
Confirmed: the juries will be back in the 2009 final!

http://www.eurovision.tv/page/news?id=1363

The scoring will be made up of a mixture of televoting and jury votes, though the exact split has not been revealed. The format of the semi-finals will remain as it was in 2008.

I think this is excellent news, perhaps Terry Wogan will now reconsider? Wink Though it'll never happen I'd love to see televoting ditched altogether. I've been rewatching a few old contests recently and even well into the 1990s when the Eastern European countries started trickling in, it's very noticeable how much fairer and unpredictable, and much less neighbourly, the voting was. Indeed, in 1990 even Greece and Cyprus only swapped six points!

And in other news, the Big Four will retain their places in the final after all: http://www.esctoday.com/news/read/12281
BR
Brekkie
Don't agree with that at all - it's a knee-jerk reaction to the moaning losers and surely juries are far more open to outside pressure than the voting public. And if a Western European country win next year, the Eastern Europeans will have every right to scream "fix".

Does this mean the non-competing countries all have juries too - that's the real issue which needed fixing!


I've never been a fan of these combined jury/voting formats - how the votes are combined is never clearly explain and the 50/50 split is very much open to interpretation. If they insist on it though, my preferred method would be for the viewers to vote for the top ten, with their number one choice automatically getting 12 points and then the jury deciding the positions of the next nine.
LE
Lester Founding member
Brekkie posted:
Don't agree with that at all - it's a knee-jerk reaction to the moaning losers and surely juries are far more open to outside pressure than the voting public. And if a Western European country win next year, the Eastern Europeans will have every right to scream "fix".

Does this mean the non-competing countries all have juries too - that's the real issue which needed fixing!


I've never been a fan of these combined jury/voting formats - how the votes are combined is never clearly explain and the 50/50 split is very much open to interpretation. If they insist on it though, my preferred method would be for the viewers to vote for the top ten, with their number one choice automatically getting 12 points and then the jury deciding the positions of the next nine.


So you honestly thought Russia was the best song this year? If you do you must be mad (and deaf).
JO
Jonathan
God I'm so sick of the obsession over Eurovision on this skanky website.
JO
Joe
Jonathan posted:
God I'm so sick of the obsession over Eurovision on this skanky website.

Of which you are willingly a member?
JO
Jonathan
Jugalug posted:
Jonathan posted:
God I'm so sick of the obsession over Eurovision on this skanky website.

Of which you are willingly a member?

Was.
JO
Jon
Jonathan posted:
Jugalug posted:
Jonathan posted:
God I'm so sick of the obsession over Eurovision on this skanky website.

Of which you are willingly a member?

Was.

Don't post then! Rolling Eyes
JO
Joe
No wells, with any luck he means as of that post.
BR
Brekkie
Lester posted:
So you honestly thought Russia was the best song this year? If you do you must be mad (and deaf).


Declaring the best song at Eurovision is like pointing out the sexiest woman at a Tory Party Conference, but I wasn't surprised at all Russia won - and think it's pretty ignorant of Wogan and his cronies to dismiss the result in the way he has.

These things move in cycles - at the moment it's the Baltics, just as previously it was Scandanavia and Ireland dominating the contest. If the UK were putting in decent song which genuinely had the potential to win perhaps they're would be some justification in their complaints - but while those responsible for the British entrants treat the competition as a farce, they have absolutely no right to complain when the rest of Europe shows treats our entry with the same respect.

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