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Eurovision Song Contest - Belgrade 2008

(February 2008)

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Roy Slaven
Interesting piece on the 'voting patterns' from The Times - block voting very much in evidence :

“Eurovision was intended to bring us all together, but instead it makes it manifestly clear how far apart we are,” said Wogan.

Is there any evidence to support this controversial claim? Well, yes there is, according to Derek Gatherer, an aptly named academic who has been gathering together recent voting patterns in the contest for analysis.

Gatherer identified three blocs that account for about a third of all votes. The biggest is what he calls the Balkan bloc: 11 countries that include Turkey, Albania, various bits that used to be Yugoslavia, Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria and Hungary. Next is the Eastern bloc of eight countries, including Russia, Poland and Ukraine. (Given the degree to which some of the countries within the Balkan and Eastern blocs hate each other, perhaps Eurovision does indeed break down barriers.)

“The period since the mid-1990s has seen the emergence of large geographical voting blocs from previously small voting partnerships,” Gatherer revealed in a paper pithily entitled Comparison of Eurovision Song Contest Simulation with Actual Results Reveals Shifting Patterns of Collusive Voting Alliances.

“On at least two occasions the outcome of the contest has been crucially affected by voting blocs. The structure of these blocs implies that a handful of centrally placed countries have a higher probability of being future winners.”

Although the eight Nordic and Baltic states form a so-called Viking Empire, there is no western European bloc for the UK to belong to. You will not find the Belgians voting for an Irish turkey. "


So - Terry's right - hardly worth entering really ... Laughing
JO
Johnny83
Brekkie posted:



Andy Abrahams song (and it's been bugging me all week - what is it a rip-off of exactly), has been universally labelled one of the worst entrants from the UK for ages - yet Mr Wogan was very out of touch in his approval of it - and it showed.



Got any proof to back this up, I thought it was a ratehr good song, how anyone can say it was the worst entry for ages is really beyond me, Scootch was abysmal, Daz's rap was just sh*te and as fro Gemini they couldn't even sign properlly. There was also that other song with a sample of that Rock Steady Crew song.

Ok it was generic R'n'B/Soul/Disco but at least it wasn't an irritating song, as I say if I didn't mind it (I really hate this contest as I have said in the past) then it couldn't have been that bad.
HA
harshy Founding member
noggin posted:
Well - it was an interesting evening. Frustrating that Red Bee seemed to mangle the BBC HD audio for the first 8 songs - VERY annoying.

However - the voting was near textbook - and followed the statistcal model that Derek Gatherer has developed pretty well. He tipped Ukraine, Russia, Serbia, Greece and Turkey.

Ukraine and Serbia were both pretty good songs - and Ani Lorak's vocal's were much better in the final than semi 2 - and Turkey's performance was much better than their preview showing IMHO. However Greece and Russia were both pretty poor songs delivered pretty badly. Greece did have its usual regional sound though - which works well for them.

For me the big surprises of the evening were Norway and Sweden. Norway did much better than I had guessed during the first semifinal (4th in semi 1) - and Sweden far worse (jury wildcard - it wouldn't have qualified on the televotes).

Given that all the Scandinavian block countries were in the final - so the votes from that bloc weren't potentially as concentrated across a smaller number of songs - it reinforced that Norway is more popular among its neighbours than Sweden.

It will be interesting to see if the EBU tries to do anything to the format next year.

In the cold-war era there was an Eastern Eurovision-equivalent - kind of - called the Sopol Song contest (named after the location it took place in) - though it wasn't voted for in the same way AIUI. ISTR that there may have been an Intervision contest once or twice (Intervision being the Eastern-bloc equivalent of the Eurovision network run by the EBU)

Can't see a straight East vs West split taking place - after all Yugoslavia was in Eurovision years before the end of the cold war (and would be regarded by many as a "Western" Eurovision nation) I wonder if there will be a suggestion of multiple regional semis rather than a dual split-semi (with each block split in two - as was the case this year)


A lot of people not happy with BBC HD and the sound, looks like it was a major blunder by Red Bee, it sounds like no one actually checked the sound coming down from the HD feed, pretty disgraceful as is the contest, its about time the BBC saved the license money from this farce.
MD
mdtauk
does anyone know where I could get a copy of the portugese and surbia entries, they were the only ones worth re-listening to...
JO
Jon
martinDTanderson posted:
does anyone know where I could get a copy of the portugese and surbia entries, they were the only ones worth re-listening to...

Presumably they will be realising the album again?
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A former member
wells posted:
martinDTanderson posted:
does anyone know where I could get a copy of the portugese and surbia entries, they were the only ones worth re-listening to...

Presumably they will be realising the album again?


There are, the CD was plug during last nights event http://eurovisionbelgrade2008.blogspot.com/
RS
Roy Slaven
Johnny83 posted:
Brekkie posted:



Andy Abrahams song (and it's been bugging me all week - what is it a rip-off of exactly), has been universally labelled one of the worst entrants from the UK for ages - yet Mr Wogan was very out of touch in his approval of it - and it showed.



Got any proof to back this up, I thought it was a ratehr good song, how anyone can say it was the worst entry for ages is really beyond me, Scootch was abysmal, Daz's rap was just sh*te and as fro Gemini they couldn't even sign properlly. There was also that other song with a sample of that Rock Steady Crew song.

Ok it was generic R'n'B/Soul/Disco but at least it wasn't an irritating song, as I say if I didn't mind it (I really hate this contest as I have said in the past) then it couldn't have been that bad.


Agreed Johnny - I thought it was rather good too...and Andy A certainly put his heart and soul into it ....It was certainly a helluva lot better than some of the other efforts .
But there we go...it just goes to show that we have little in common with our easten European neighbours in terms of politics or culture. .....bring back Katy Boyle and the judging panels I say! Laughing ( and maybe Simon Cowell could be persuaded to get stuck into it )
CO
Connews
There is not a barge pole long enough to distance Simon Cowell for Eurovision. That would be the last thing he would want to do, I'm sure.
AN
all new Phil
I'll agree with the consensus here, what a disappointing show it ended up being last night. Our entry was fantastic, and really deserved to do better than joint last. I don't think that it's that other countries hate us as such, more that we just don't really get noticed by anyone as they are too interested in voting for their neighbours.

Also - does anyone else agree that the French entry was the fabbest thing ever?
MD
Mr D'Arcy
I think we had a rather dull song this year and a dull singer however it didn't deserve to be last. I mean what the hell was the Spanish entry all about?

We may as well leave the contest now.
MA
Markymark
harshy posted:

A lot of people not happy with BBC HD and the sound, looks like it was a major blunder by Red Bee, it sounds like no one actually checked the sound coming down from the HD feed, pretty disgraceful as is the contest, its about time the BBC saved the license money from this farce.


It was completely screwed up actually.

The broadcast was in upconverted SD from 20:31hrs until 22:33hrs, and in only Dolby 1.0 from the start until 20:31hrs. In fact whatever bodge they did to restore the audio, involved taking the SD feed.

Useless. Perhaps Red Bee were too busy dreaming up the next wacky programme junction, to get on with their job of transmitting technically compliant programmes.
BR
Brekkie
Johnny83 posted:
Brekkie posted:



Andy Abrahams song (and it's been bugging me all week - what is it a rip-off of exactly), has been universally labelled one of the worst entrants from the UK for ages - yet Mr Wogan was very out of touch in his approval of it - and it showed.



Got any proof to back this up


The BBC's own survey prior to the contest put it in last position (or very close to last).

It's the selection process which needs ripping up and starting again from scratch to attract entrants who wouldn't usually be interested in representing the UK at Eurovision interested in the possibility - and kind of do the same for Eurovision as Britain's Got Talent is doing for the Royal Variety.

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