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Jon7,693 posts since 11 Apr 2005
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The song was as good as the result.


Well that's completely untrue. The song was fine. To say that the reason we came last was in any way to do with the song is just burying your head in the sand. Complete la-la land.

You said it, “the song was fine”, most of the others were better than fine. I doubt anyone across Europe was stopping themselves from voting for us because it was their favourite song but they don't like Brexit.

People used to blame our involvement in the Iraq War, but then we upped our game and did alright. We started doing badly again well before Brexit.
Cyprus and Greece exchange points for very obvious, and non political, reasons


Non political reasons? It's completely political. Cyprus is divided between Greece and Turkey, the majority being Greek. So they vote for Greece, and Greece vote for them to tighten their grip on Cyprus. To say that's not political is just weird, plain weird.

Or many Cypriots vote for Greece because they consider themselves Greek, and therefore vote for themselves in the same way we would if we could and visa versa. Not to mention the mutual cultural similarities they will have which mean they'll like the same kind of music and have heard each others songs on the radio.

Those two countries voting for each over isn't going to make much difference to the overall result.

Look at Israel, people thought they didn't do well for political reasons anymore, then they did something people liked and was interesting, then they won.


It’s extremely arrogant to think we are owed votes and the rest of the world is so obsessed with us and Brexit or whatever is going to form part of their judgement.
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Inspector Sands13,524 posts since 25 Aug 2004

Cyprus and Greece exchange points for very obvious, and non political, reasons


Non political reasons? It's completely political. Cyprus is divided between Greece and Turkey, the majority being Greek. So they vote for Greece, and Greece vote for them to tighten their grip on Cyprus. To say that's not political is just weird, plain weird.

It's not, it's just they are closely associated countries that share a lot of things, including musical taste. I lived in the big Greek/Cypriot area of London for many years and know how similar and integrated the two communities are.


There aren't people at home picking up their phones and voting to help 'tighten the grip on Cyprus'... I don't know how that would work even if they did

I'm sure the Greek and Cypriot entries receive a lot of radio airplay on their radio stations too, so they are familiar already

Also there will be a lot of Greek people in Cyprus who will take the opportunity to vote for the song from their mother country, just in the same way that other people living abroad will do. You famously cannot vote for your own country.... except when you're not in your own country on the night!


It is the same with other so called 'blocs'. Countries that have ties or history or big populations living in another will of course be more likely to vote for a song from them. It's within most of our lifetimes that a lot of the countries in the ESC were parts of other ones.

Just think what the voting 'bloc' would be like if the UK split up and all entered the contest individually. Every year 12 points from England to Scotland and 11 to Wales etc
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gottago2,801 posts since 26 Aug 2004
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The song was as good as the result.


Well that's completely untrue. The song was fine. To say that the reason we came last was in any way to do with the song is just burying your head in the sand. Complete la-la land.


I'll never not be amazed by the number of totally ill informed comments that come out of the shadows immediately after the contest trying to justify a bad song doing badly. Bizarre and wholly incorrect idea of how people's mindsets actually work.
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Jon7,693 posts since 11 Apr 2005
Central (West) Midlands Today

Cyprus and Greece exchange points for very obvious, and non political, reasons


Non political reasons? It's completely political. Cyprus is divided between Greece and Turkey, the majority being Greek. So they vote for Greece, and Greece vote for them to tighten their grip on Cyprus. To say that's not political is just weird, plain weird.
Every year 12 points from England to Scotland and 11 to Wales etc

And none back for England. Wink Also I didn't think we could give 11 points.
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DVB Cornwall8,184 posts since 4 Dec 2003
Westcountry Spotlight
Still got it wrong though, coz I saw Italy. 😂


Shush.... (I lost 200 votes in the mix)


I've just re-run the Televote segment and Netherlands won after they were awarded their points, The North Macedonian or Swedish songs were too far behind after that even if one of them got zero. The 200 votes that went AWOL on my, on the night count up, indeed would have produced an Italian winner, so the methodology would have been right then too.
EenNederlander52 posts since 9 Jun 2018
BBC World
The Dutch aren't wasting time ....





We never waste time Wink

No, but a local airport in my region wishes to host the Eurovision. I don't think they stand a chance against the big boy big city music halls.
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