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Eurovision 2021 - Netherlands - NPO/AVROTROS/NOS

Ahoy Arena - Rotterdam - 18/20/22 May 2021

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AN
all new Phil
There was a very good interview on Sky News earlier where they discussed the UK’s performance. The interviewee made the very good point that countries like The Netherlands and Austria were stuck in that same rut as us - it was only when they stopped blaming everyone else for their own performance that they had success.

Times have changed and the UK hasn’t kept up. Why on earth would we expect the rest of Europe to get behind a song that we can’t even get behind ourselves?
JB
JasonB
We always seem to it safe with a simple song. Iceland used bondage gear in their performance....
RD
RDJ
The UK was way ahead of its time in the 90’s when the contest was still stuffy with an orchestra and an audience in cocktail dresses and bow ties.

The likes of Sonia, Love City Groove, Gina G and Katrina got the contest more relevant with the music tastes at the time.

Sadly as time has gone on other countries have caught up and the UK has trailed well behind.

If we aren’t going to enter a song that’s at least worthy of doing well in the charts then we stand no chance.

The rest of Europe are also cottoning in that given our standing with music across the world, we aren’t even even bothering to try which is being reflected in the votes that we get. We deserve this scrutiny and the BBC should want to at least try to enter a song that has the potential to win, like it used to.
Chyron, Tumble Tower and all new Phil gave kudos
BR
Brekkie
As for Eurovision itself, the definately need to cut the interval back down. It used to be a 15-minute voting window, last night it was an hour. It at least needs to be cut back to 30 minutes.

Also would anyone miss the country by country voting if they revealed the jury votes in the same way as the public vote. It's a tradition but I think for the sake of the show it might be time to simplify it, especially as it is now somewhat irrelevant considering the public vote shakes it up completely.
AN
all new Phil
I wouldn’t change the way the results are revealed at all. I think it’s brilliant.
RE
Revolution
RDJ posted:
The UK was way ahead of its time in the 90’s when the contest was still stuffy with an orchestra and an audience in cocktail dresses and bow ties.

The likes of Sonia, Love City Groove, Gina G and Katrina got the contest more relevant with the music tastes at the time.

Sadly as time has gone on other countries have caught up and the UK has trailed well behind.

If we aren’t going to enter a song that’s at least worthy of doing well in the charts then we stand no chance.

The rest of Europe are also cottoning in that given our standing with music across the world, we aren’t even even bothering to try which is being reflected in the votes that we get. We deserve this scrutiny and the BBC should want to at least try to enter a song that has the potential to win, like it used to.

And Imaani. Don't forget Imanni!
GO
gottago
As for Eurovision itself, the definately need to cut the interval back down. It used to be a 15-minute voting window, last night it was an hour. It at least needs to be cut back to 30 minutes.

I reckon they "over ordered" on the interval acts in case Madonna was a no show and they had time to fill. Supposedly she only signed her contract a few days ago.
GM
Gary McEwan
Am I right in thinking that next year will be a Co Production between NOS, NPO and Avrotros?

Has there even a contest where 3 broadcasters have helped in the production?

On a side note, The Netherlands is just a hop skip and a jump over the water so I'll be very interested in potentially going over next year.
DE
deejay
I agree that the voting window is now far too long. I liked last nights change in the way the Televote was announced (unless I missed it last year?). Announcing the number of points from lowest table position to highest really heightened the tension. Very clever.

Overall a really good show IMO, with the exception of Madonna which really wasn’t worth the hype.

I adored the classic singers interval act and was particularly impressed with their recreation of the 1979 set during Hallelujah.

I couldn’t pick a winner this year - and certainly didn’t see The Netherlands walking away with it. I thought Switzerland and Sweden were better although the Dutch song is growing on me!

Roll on next year. Looking forward to it already.
GO
gottago

On a side note, The Netherlands is just a hop skip and a jump over the water so I'll be very interested in potentially going over next year.

The first time Eurovision will be directly reachable on the Eurostar as well!
Tumble Tower and thegeek gave kudos
BR
Brekkie
I reckon they "over ordered" on the interval acts in case Madonna was a no show and they had time to fill. Supposedly she only signed her contract a few days ago.

They over ordered on the interval acts by ordering Madonna in the first place.
Quatorzine Neko, james-2001 and 030293 gave kudos
MO
Moz
The song was as good as the result.


Well that's completely untrue. The song was fine. To say that the reason we came last was in any way to do with the song is just burying your head in the sand. Complete la-la land.

Cyprus and Greece exchange points for very obvious, and non political, reasons


Non political reasons? It's completely political. Cyprus is divided between Greece and Turkey, the majority being Greek. So they vote for Greece, and Greece vote for them to tighten their grip on Cyprus. To say that's not political is just weird, plain weird.

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