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Israel - KAN - Tel Aviv - SFs 14, 16 May - Final 18 May - UK - Michael Rice. (May 2018)

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BM11


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TIGHazard
BM11 posted:
I am surprised the Netherlands remains at the top.. The song underwhelmed me last night - it's much better recorded than performed live.
I think the UK might come last on the televote - maybe 22-24th on the Jury.


I think predicting might be hard this year, with us being next to Iceland.

If Michael's performance is good then 'Hate Will Prevail' plays, then we might get the 'Oh he's cute/anything but Iceland' housewife/granny vote.

But if his performance is bad, then we might get lost amongst the rest of the songs.
BM
BM11
TIGHazard posted:
BM11 posted:
I am surprised the Netherlands remains at the top.. The song underwhelmed me last night - it's much better recorded than performed live.
I think the UK might come last on the televote - maybe 22-24th on the Jury.


I think predicting might be hard this year, with us being next to Iceland.

If Michael's performance is good then 'Hate Will Prevail' plays, then we might get the 'Oh he's cute/anything but Iceland' housewife/granny vote.

But if his performance is bad, then we might get lost amongst the rest of the songs.

His performances in rehearsals have tended to be bad. I really do wonder if another poor result will see the BBC go back to no national final again.
Last edited by BM11 on 17 May 2019 11:14am
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noggin Founding member
thegeek posted:
noggin posted:
UKnews posted:
For example the EBU have a private fibre optic network with many points of presence across Europe (FINE - Fibre Network of Eurovision), but you still have to book and pay for capacity on the service (cost depending on the type and amount of traffic you want to send). The BBC have used it for quite a few events (TV and Radio) and will again next weekend.


Yes - though AIUI FINE and the EBU/Eurovision satellite operations may be being 'spun out' of the EBU slightly to make them a more arms-length commercial arm.

FINE was partially created to service the various Olympic Summer and Winter Games venues and is a very impressive operation, used by many broadcasters globally (and not just EBU members)

The spin-off has already partially happened: the network operation is now known as Eurovision Services.

Major events use the EBU for their distribution - UEFA are a big client, which makes sense given the number of sources and takers, particularly on a Europa League group stages night. Ligue 1 and (to a lesser extent) Bundesliga also use them for their distribution. They'll send a proper control room and network monitoring point to major events too (eg Olympics, where they're still a big connectivity provider even though they're not a rightsholder).


Yep - that spin-off happened a while ago though didn't it? I think there may have been an internal further distancing within the EBU structure. (Almost in preparation for a sell-off?)
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bilky asko
BM11 posted:
TIGHazard posted:
BM11 posted:
I am surprised the Netherlands remains at the top.. The song underwhelmed me last night - it's much better recorded than performed live.
I think the UK might come last on the televote - maybe 22-24th on the Jury.


I think predicting might be hard this year, with us being next to Iceland.

If Michael's performance is good then 'Hate Will Prevail' plays, then we might get the 'Oh he's cute/anything but Iceland' housewife/granny vote.

But if his performance is bad, then we might get lost amongst the rest of the songs.

His performances in rehearsals have tended to be bad. I really do wonder if another poor result will see the BBC go back to no national final again.


I don't see how he's bad enough to require multiple posts from yourself saying how bad he is. Are you just saying it to shoehorn in your predictions of doom?
BM
BM11
bilky asko posted:
BM11 posted:
TIGHazard posted:

I think predicting might be hard this year, with us being next to Iceland.

If Michael's performance is good then 'Hate Will Prevail' plays, then we might get the 'Oh he's cute/anything but Iceland' housewife/granny vote.

But if his performance is bad, then we might get lost amongst the rest of the songs.

His performances in rehearsals have tended to be bad. I really do wonder if another poor result will see the BBC go back to no national final again.


I don't see how he's bad enough to require multiple posts from yourself saying how bad he is. Are you just saying it to shoehorn in your predictions of doom?

Every bad performance increases the chance that one year the BBC will very sadly decide enough is enough(fearing the negative headlines the contest gets everyear.) and handover to Channel 4 or ITV.
NG
noggin Founding member
BM11 posted:
bilky asko posted:
BM11 posted:
His performances in rehearsals have tended to be bad. I really do wonder if another poor result will see the BBC go back to no national final again.


I don't see how he's bad enough to require multiple posts from yourself saying how bad he is. Are you just saying it to shoehorn in your predictions of doom?

Every bad performance increases the chance that one year the BBC will very sadly decide enough is enough(fearing the negative headlines the contest gets everyear.) and handover to Channel 4 or ITV.


Given the ratings vs cost - and popularity of the contest, I think this is VERY unlikely to happen. The BBC is a major EBU partner, and is currently represented on the Eurovision Song Contest Reference Group. Things would need to change seismically in the way the BBC operates for them to leave the contest.
UKnews and bilky asko gave kudos
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BM11
noggin posted:
BM11 posted:
bilky asko posted:

I don't see how he's bad enough to require multiple posts from yourself saying how bad he is. Are you just saying it to shoehorn in your predictions of doom?

Every bad performance increases the chance that one year the BBC will very sadly decide enough is enough(fearing the negative headlines the contest gets everyear.) and handover to Channel 4 or ITV.


Given the ratings vs cost - and popularity of the contest, I think this is VERY unlikely to happen. The BBC is a major EBU partner, and is currently represented on the Eurovision Song Contest Reference Group. Things would need to change seismically in the way the BBC operates for them to leave the contest .

Mostly agree, through the threat of changes could see the BBC thinking dropping Eurovision might mean they can keep something else in the renegotiation.
The contest being held in Russia one year is another risk.
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AxG
I think we've gone full circle with this now, bringing up Russia again.
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gottago
BM11 posted:
noggin posted:
BM11 posted:
Every bad performance increases the chance that one year the BBC will very sadly decide enough is enough(fearing the negative headlines the contest gets everyear.) and handover to Channel 4 or ITV.


Given the ratings vs cost - and popularity of the contest, I think this is VERY unlikely to happen. The BBC is a major EBU partner, and is currently represented on the Eurovision Song Contest Reference Group. Things would need to change seismically in the way the BBC operates for them to leave the contest .

Mostly agree, through the threat of changes could see the BBC thinking dropping Eurovision might mean they can keep something else in the renegotiation.
The contest being held in Russia one year is another risk.

Nope, it's not. Zero chance of the BBC dropping it you'll be relieved to hear.
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noggin Founding member
BM11 posted:
noggin posted:
BM11 posted:
Every bad performance increases the chance that one year the BBC will very sadly decide enough is enough(fearing the negative headlines the contest gets everyear.) and handover to Channel 4 or ITV.


Given the ratings vs cost - and popularity of the contest, I think this is VERY unlikely to happen. The BBC is a major EBU partner, and is currently represented on the Eurovision Song Contest Reference Group. Things would need to change seismically in the way the BBC operates for them to leave the contest .

Mostly agree, through the threat of changes could see the BBC thinking dropping Eurovision might mean they can keep something else in the renegotiation.
The contest being held in Russia one year is another risk.


When I say seismic changes - I mean changes of the order of magnitude that would see the BBC having to axe/sell off Radios 1, 2 and 5Live and BBC Two and Four (even then, the low cost-per-hour of ESC compared to a mainstream Saturday night show would still mean it was good value), or a charter renewal that prohibits the BBC from competing with ITV on popular entertainment shows like Strictly.

I'm not sure what 'renegotiation' you are talking about.
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Josh
They've posted the performance of Michael Rice now:

Certainly sounds better than the jury rehearsal. May have been a problem with his earpiece?

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