Remarkably for a song that has had a marmite fan reception (With many including me being underwhelmed by it's performance.) tonight Netherlands odds are tightening further. Usually it's only songs that have had a more WOW reaction from fans during the semi whose odds tighten like Australia, Switzerland and Norway.
Will the BBC continue to fund a large chunk of the EBU budget? We are hated by all of Europe, why do we bother providing millions to the EBU and then be treated like crap?
Because, as is pointed out every year, this song contest is only a small part of what the BBC gets out of Eurovision and, as three and a half hours of Saturday night prime time goes, it’s cheap telly.
What does the BBC get out of funding the large chunk of the EBU budget? Sorry, I am not that clued up on the EBU.
We get the EVN News Exchange - which is multiple daily exchanges of news footage and stories between EBU members, stand-up positions at news events across Europe etc. (Most non-BBC shot European news pictures you see on BBC News are probably from EVN, and lots of live two-ways with BBC reporters on breaking news stories will often be from EBU facilities)
Plus the EBU are one of the main global standards bodies, and the BBC is very closely involved with setting and applying those standards (along with the German ITU)
The EBU is a fantastic organisation at co-ordinating best practice and common interchange standards - plus it facilitates an environment of cross-European broadcast co-operation between public service broadcasters. There are committees and symposia on all sorts of areas of the industry - technical, kids TV production, drama production etc. that are genuinely really useful. There is also great radio sharing (like the Euradio classical overnight stuff)
The Eurovision Song Contest is just a minor part of the EBU. (We also get the Vienna New Year's Day Concert too )
Yeah but apart from the news footage, stand up positions, designing broadcast standards, interchange standards, broadcast co-operation, working committees on all sorts of areas, radio programme sharing, set piece events, - what has the EBU ever done for us
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https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/05/17/brits-want-leave-eurovision-52-48 Brits want to leave Eurovison 52-48 once massive amounts of don't have an opinion are stripped out.
A lot more Brits than the other countries polled think the show is totally political.
The other facts show a markedly different attitude in the UK to the rest of the countries polled.
And usually France has considerably lower ratings than the UK for the contest - I think the ratings in France have averaged under 5 million for a few years.
Must be a fine balancing act for Graham to keep a tone which helps keep the ratings up while respecting the contest and not wanting to be rude or mocking.
Noggin will be able to correct me if I’m wrong but I believe that, in the past - less so now - the EBU would buy sports rights on behalf of their members and each would in turn buy them from the EBU, ensuring coverage from PSBs of major events. Whilst a lot of the major sports bodies now handle this themselves (or through a specialist agency) there are quite a lot of sports bodies (especially in winter sports and slightly less high profile sports) who work closely with the EBU in selling their rights. Even those who sell their own rights are often working with the EBU for distribution.
As examples - the most recent IAAF deal for the World Athletics Championships (and other events) was done with the EBU. Until 2012 the Olympic rights for Europe were sold via the EBU- my 2012 accreditation lists the organisation as “EBU - GBBBC”.
Worth adding that are certain things the BBC gets included with the membership fee, for others your being a member just gives you the option to access it.
For example the EBU have a private fibre optic network with many points of presence across Europe (FINE - Fibre Network of Eurovision), but you still have to book and pay for capacity on the service (cost depending on the type and amount of traffic you want to send). The BBC have used it for quite a few events (TV and Radio) and will again next weekend.
Noggin will be able to correct me if I’m wrong but I believe that, in the past - less so now - the EBU would buy sports rights on behalf of their members and each would in turn buy them from the EBU, ensuring coverage from PSBs of major events. Whilst a lot of the major sports bodies now handle this themselves (or through a specialist agency) there are quite a lot of sports bodies (especially in winter sports and slightly less high profile sports) who work closely with the EBU in selling their rights. Even those who sell their own rights are often working with the EBU for distribution.
As examples - the most recent IAAF deal for the World Athletics Championships (and other events) was done with the EBU. Until 2012 the Olympic rights for Europe were sold via the EBU- my 2012 accreditation lists the organisation as “EBU - GBBBC”.
Yes - the EBU used to negotiate pan-European rights to the Olympic games on behalf of PSBs across Europe. However the IOC decided they could get more money by taking a deal with a commercial broadcaster (Discovery/Eurosport) - though some individual PSBs (the BBC, France Televisons etc. made local deals)
Not only did the EBU make rights deals, they also used to operate an on-demand portal for smaller countries who couldn't operate a comprehensive live streaming service of their own.
The EBU is incredibly good at supporting smaller public service broadcasters across Europe (as, it has to be said, is the BBC Media Action - formerly BBC World Service Trust)
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Worth adding that are certain things the BBC gets included with the membership fee, for others your being a member just gives you the option to access it.
For example the EBU have a private fibre optic network with many points of presence across Europe (FINE - Fibre Network of Eurovision), but you still have to book and pay for capacity on the service (cost depending on the type and amount of traffic you want to send). The BBC have used it for quite a few events (TV and Radio) and will again next weekend.
Yes - though AIUI FINE and the EBU/Eurovision satellite operations may be being 'spun out' of the EBU slightly to make them a more arms-length commercial arm.
FINE was partially created to service the various Olympic Summer and Winter Games venues and is a very impressive operation, used by many broadcasters globally (and not just EBU members)
This is the running order for Saturday's Grand Final:
1. Malta
2. Albania
3. Czech Republic
4. Germany
5. Russia
6. Denmark
7. San Marino
8. North Macedonia
9. Sweden
10. Slovenia
11. Cyprus
12. Netherlands
13. Greece
14. Israel
15. Norway
16. United Kingdom
17. Iceland
18. Estonia
19. Belarus
20. Azerbaijan
21. France
22. Italy
23. Serbia
24. Switzerland
25. Australia
26. Spain
Are Avrotros/NPO really wanting to host it next year? Who would actually be responsible for hosting due to the way NPO is set up? Would it fall to Avrotros or NPO?
It will then fall under the title of Avrotros, but the NPO will probably also help a lot. A kind of same situation as with Germany in 2011 indeed. Although there were rumors in the Dutch media that the NOS would take over once, but those are weak rumors.
For example the EBU have a private fibre optic network with many points of presence across Europe (FINE - Fibre Network of Eurovision), but you still have to book and pay for capacity on the service (cost depending on the type and amount of traffic you want to send). The BBC have used it for quite a few events (TV and Radio) and will again next weekend.
Yes - though AIUI FINE and the EBU/Eurovision satellite operations may be being 'spun out' of the EBU slightly to make them a more arms-length commercial arm.
FINE was partially created to service the various Olympic Summer and Winter Games venues and is a very impressive operation, used by many broadcasters globally (and not just EBU members)
The spin-off has already partially happened: the network operation is now known as Eurovision Services.
Major events use the EBU for their distribution - UEFA are a big client, which makes sense given the number of sources and takers, particularly on a Europa League group stages night. Ligue 1 and (to a lesser extent) Bundesliga also use them for their distribution. They'll send a proper control room and network monitoring point to major events too (eg Olympics, where they're still a big connectivity provider even though they're not a rightsholder).
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I am surprised the Netherlands remains at the top.. The song underwhelmed me last night - it's much better recorded than performed live.
I think the UK might come last on the televote - maybe 22-24th on the Jury.
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