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Winner - Israel - KAN - Netta Barzilai 'Toy' (May 2017)

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HC
Hatton Cross
noggin posted:


Ah - did the director take over from the vision mixer for that item then?

Yes. Sven directed the performance from the monitor stack, cut the shots on the mixer himself, had the vt from the dress rehearsal on stand by (there was some live pre-performance rumors that tatu were going to do something 'shocking' as a protest against Putin), and gave a huge sigh of relief as the next country postcard rolled and it's passed off without incident...
BA
Bail Moderator
deejay posted:
In this example for the Swedish Eurovision selection show, the Director is calling the shots and the Vision Mixer cutting along simply as a standby for CuePilot. They do a staggeringly good job given the number of very fast cuts and DVEs in this particular camera script.
https://vimeo.com/159124171

If I had that director clicking his fingers in my ears like that I think I'd quit...
DE
deejay
Yes. Finger clicking is pretty much a no-no in this country!
NG
noggin Founding member
Bail posted:
deejay posted:
In this example for the Swedish Eurovision selection show, the Director is calling the shots and the Vision Mixer cutting along simply as a standby for CuePilot. They do a staggeringly good job given the number of very fast cuts and DVEs in this particular camera script.
https://vimeo.com/159124171

If I had that director clicking his fingers in my ears like that I think I'd quit...


Yep - very common in Scandinavian galleries, but definitely frowned upon in the UK...

Partially because it's very annoying on talkback, and also culturally finger-clicking here has a connotation of rudeness.
NG
noggin Founding member
deejay posted:
In this example for the Swedish Eurovision selection show, the Director is calling the shots and the Vision Mixer cutting along simply as a standby for CuePilot. They do a staggeringly good job given the number of very fast cuts and DVEs in this particular camera script.
https://vimeo.com/159124171


Yep - but all the director is actually doing is repeating what the CuePilot screen says, which cameras also see on either the iOS app or their reverse vision feed on a second viewfinder, so not hugely a backup. He's not following a paper script by the look of it. If the CuePilot system fell over, cameras and director wouldn't be able to do that. It's only really a backup if the mixer editor control link fell over.

AIUI when they used CuePilot initially for Melodifestivalen the director and PA said nothing during the music, and everyone felt it was a bit strange, so the director and PA effectively ghost call the CuePilot screen.

One of the main reasons CuePilot is used in Sweden and Denmark, is that unlike the UK and Norway, they have no real history of scripted music cut to beats and bars, and have historically either busked, or scripted to seconds. It was partially developed for Denmark's X factor, as with no history of music scripting and breakdown they were finding it very difficult to match the quality of the UK original's music production AIUI.
Last edited by noggin on 10 December 2017 2:22pm
XQ
XQD
Without going too off topic, the clip below is actual talkback from The Graham Norton Show a few years back. This is an incredibly fast bar count and goes to show just how much skill there still is in traditional, multi-camera music TV.

MA
madmusician
noggin posted:
Bail posted:
deejay posted:
In this example for the Swedish Eurovision selection show, the Director is calling the shots and the Vision Mixer cutting along simply as a standby for CuePilot. They do a staggeringly good job given the number of very fast cuts and DVEs in this particular camera script.
https://vimeo.com/159124171

If I had that director clicking his fingers in my ears like that I think I'd quit...


Yep - very common in Scandinavian galleries, but definitely frowned upon in the UK...

Partially because it's very annoying on talkback, and also culturally finger-clicking here has a connotation of rudeness.

Stewart Morris is clicking his fingers on this behind-the-scenes of the 1986 Commonwealth Games opening ceremony. Mind you, that's not the rudest thing that he does in this video...

TO
topdog2006
noggin posted:
digipal posted:
They should have an alternate feed that you can watch a behind the scenes simulcast when the final's played out



They did that for a few years - with talkback - in the mid-to-late 00s.


Are these available to watch anywhere?
HC
Hatton Cross
No. Recording live streams off You Tube was still in its infancy - infact I'm pretty sure that the Eurovision gallery snoop cam was the first thing I ever watched on You Tube which was live.

I did a search to try and illustrate my posting above, but it mostly came back with clips from the legendary "Keep the DG in shot" and "RUN THE ROLLER" shouts from Stewart Morris in the ESC which the BBC produced from Harrogate.
GM
nodnirG kraM
LCL92 posted:
This ... goes to show just how much skill there still is in traditional, multi-camera music TV.

Hear hear.


In fact her beat count is music to my ears, I may well rip the audio and put it on my iPod!
DE
deejay
Hatton Cross posted:
No. Recording live streams off You Tube was still in its infancy - infact I'm pretty sure that the Eurovision gallery snoop cam was the first thing I ever watched on You Tube which was live.

I did a search to try and illustrate my posting above, but it mostly came back with clips from the legendary "Keep the DG in shot" and "RUN THE ROLLER" shouts from Stewart Morris in the ESC which the BBC produced from Harrogate.


That was Wembley Conference Centre 1977 actually. Harrogate 1982 was directed by Michael Hurll I believe.
UK
UKnews
deejay posted:

That was Wembley Conference Centre 1977 actually. Harrogate 1982 was directed by Michael Hurll I believe.

Oú Est Harrogate?

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