GO
I've come to the conclusion now that we will never win this. The winning song was sweet and very different. I don't think it was the best song of the night though, it's just that it was so different it stuck out against everything else. Good luck to Portugal though, they've waited long enough.
So a country's just won for the first time in 53 years but you don't think we'll ever win again?
Taking a break won't do anything to help our position. It's all about how the team approach it each year. It would be nice to see them shake up the production team a bit next year and get some new ideas on board, They've had a pretty much identical team working on it for a number of years now.
I'm disappointed that we came 15th but that's just the way it is and the nature of a competition: there were 14 songs that made a bigger impact.
I've come to the conclusion now that we will never win this. The winning song was sweet and very different. I don't think it was the best song of the night though, it's just that it was so different it stuck out against everything else. Good luck to Portugal though, they've waited long enough.
So a country's just won for the first time in 53 years but you don't think we'll ever win again?
Taking a break won't do anything to help our position. It's all about how the team approach it each year. It would be nice to see them shake up the production team a bit next year and get some new ideas on board, They've had a pretty much identical team working on it for a number of years now.
I'm disappointed that we came 15th but that's just the way it is and the nature of a competition: there were 14 songs that made a bigger impact.
LE
I've come to the conclusion now that we will never win this. The winning song was sweet and very different. I don't think it was the best song of the night though, it's just that it was so different it stuck out against everything else. Good luck to Portugal though, they've waited long enough.
I'm disappointed that we came 15th but that's just the way it is and the nature of a competition: there were 14 songs that made a bigger impact.
You honestly think there's nothing else going on other than those songs had bigger impact? There's without doubt politics, diaspora too. I've loved Eurovision all my life but I've become completely bored with the way the voting turns out for us, if we were given a worthy result it would snowball and more effort would be made to get higher the next year but most people are now resigned to the fact we will never win so what's the point?
Lester
Founding member
I've come to the conclusion now that we will never win this. The winning song was sweet and very different. I don't think it was the best song of the night though, it's just that it was so different it stuck out against everything else. Good luck to Portugal though, they've waited long enough.
I'm disappointed that we came 15th but that's just the way it is and the nature of a competition: there were 14 songs that made a bigger impact.
You honestly think there's nothing else going on other than those songs had bigger impact? There's without doubt politics, diaspora too. I've loved Eurovision all my life but I've become completely bored with the way the voting turns out for us, if we were given a worthy result it would snowball and more effort would be made to get higher the next year but most people are now resigned to the fact we will never win so what's the point?
GO
I've come to the conclusion now that we will never win this. The winning song was sweet and very different. I don't think it was the best song of the night though, it's just that it was so different it stuck out against everything else. Good luck to Portugal though, they've waited long enough.
I'm disappointed that we came 15th but that's just the way it is and the nature of a competition: there were 14 songs that made a bigger impact.
You honestly think there's nothing else going on other than those songs had bigger impact? There's without doubt politics, diaspora too.
Diaspora is there yes but its impact is minimal. If they did have an effect the leaderboard would be identical each year and it isn't. There are six former Yugoslav countries, only one of them got through the semis, not of the Baltics got through. At the end of the day people by and large judge the entries based on how much they enjoy them.
As I've said before the politics argument is absurd. No person in their right mind sits in front of an entertainment show, throughly enjoys a song but refuses to vote for it because of the country it's from. Russia's success is case in point.
I've come to the conclusion now that we will never win this. The winning song was sweet and very different. I don't think it was the best song of the night though, it's just that it was so different it stuck out against everything else. Good luck to Portugal though, they've waited long enough.
I'm disappointed that we came 15th but that's just the way it is and the nature of a competition: there were 14 songs that made a bigger impact.
You honestly think there's nothing else going on other than those songs had bigger impact? There's without doubt politics, diaspora too.
Diaspora is there yes but its impact is minimal. If they did have an effect the leaderboard would be identical each year and it isn't. There are six former Yugoslav countries, only one of them got through the semis, not of the Baltics got through. At the end of the day people by and large judge the entries based on how much they enjoy them.
As I've said before the politics argument is absurd. No person in their right mind sits in front of an entertainment show, throughly enjoys a song but refuses to vote for it because of the country it's from. Russia's success is case in point.
PE
Apparently in Israel channel 2 wishes to join the ebu and is on the pathway to doing so as to whether they will do in time for 2018 is open to question. The issue meanwhile is that the replacement for the iba - kan will not broadcast news, another broadcaster which has yet to be announced will do that . Kan as the replacement for iba would normally take over their membership but kan not doing news, makes them eligible for the ebu and thus makes it impossible to enter Eurovision and also to have access rights to European football and e e the Olympic Games . The ebu says it's trying to find a way to get round all of this, so the empathetic is on channel 2, so they might not be there for a year or 2 whilst it's all sorted out. Political involvement would also make it hard for kan to join as well but we won't know till next year for certain.
WH
Whataday
Founding member
The political argument is perhaps more valid when talking about jury votes. Talking about diaspora is different because it doesn't have to be political - they're voting for music they already know. However, as I said the other day, it only really influences the ranking, not the overall winner.
PE
Language and shared cultural will always help ,us and Australia, normally Ireland as well, sometimes Malta and Cyprus are testament to this on a small scale, but we don't have many countries we share a common culture with, so doesn't get that push, and if it does manage to do that and all get above it all then simply it doesn't win. Many arguments about how you do this exist, see the majority of the rest of the thread