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Eurovision 2013 - 14/16/18 May 2013

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NG
noggin Founding member
deejay posted:

This year of course, much was made of the excitement algorithm they'd used that was supposed to make it unclear who was going to win from the start. Something that evidently didn't work at all - it was the dullest voting since Alexander Rybak IMO.


Well - with all but a couple of countries giving Sweden 6+ votes, and a huge number of 12 points, whichever order the votes were given it would have been the same surely? What order would have been better?

The algorithm will make a tight competition more exciting, but it can't do anything with a landslide...
NG
noggin Founding member
dosxuk posted:
Brekkie posted:
There aren't many scoreboards you can fault - and even though the current design is a bit plain compared to some earlier efforts it does the job very nicely.

The only thing I don't like about the reordering of the scoreboard and a consequence of both the expansion to 40+ voting countries and countries not voting in the order they performed is that you can't tell who has voted and who is still to vote anymore.


That could easily be solved with the addition of a map at the beginning of each vote with voted countries shown in a different colour to ones still to vote. Several previous scoreboards used a similar idea to show where the country was (like above), so the same idea could be integrated. I thought this year's voting sequence felt a bit, well, boring, because it was just a face on a screen, and them just giving out numbers. The sequences above with proper transitions were more 'exciting'.


I guess the issue is that now more countries vote than are on the scoreboard it gets a bit confusing to flag who has and hasn't voted on the scoreboard (as countries will appear to vote who aren't on the board at all) If it was done, it could be simply a small indicator (strip to the left/right of the country flag) that was removed when the country had voted - or possibly a change in background level behind the country text?
DE
deejay
noggin posted:
deejay posted:

This year of course, much was made of the excitement algorithm they'd used that was supposed to make it unclear who was going to win from the start. Something that evidently didn't work at all - it was the dullest voting since Alexander Rybak IMO.


Well - with all but a couple of countries giving Sweden 6+ votes, and a huge number of 12 points, whichever order the votes were given it would have been the same surely? What order would have been better?

The algorithm will make a tight competition more exciting, but it can't do anything with a landslide...


Fair point, but I think I'd have rather not known that they'd tried to make it exciting, I suspect the organisers are now slightly regretting making a big thing of the order having been calculated to be exciting ... Smile
DV
DVB Cornwall
The problem will always exist if there's a runaway winner, no matter how the order is presented it'd be pretty obvious early on.
GO
gottago
dosxuk posted:
Brekkie posted:
There aren't many scoreboards you can fault - and even though the current design is a bit plain compared to some earlier efforts it does the job very nicely.

The only thing I don't like about the reordering of the scoreboard and a consequence of both the expansion to 40+ voting countries and countries not voting in the order they performed is that you can't tell who has voted and who is still to vote anymore.


That could easily be solved with the addition of a map at the beginning of each vote with voted countries shown in a different colour to ones still to vote.
Maps at Eurovision are a big no-no now since the Armenia/Azerbaijan situation and Kosovo went independent. Remember in 2010 when they showed the shape of each country above the audience but "accidently" didn't show all of Serbia, Armenia and Azerbaijan?

TH
Thinker
topdog2006 posted:
They did actually manage the scoreboard in Sweden 2000 as well, although I don't think they were credited for it that time.


Just looked through the credits for ESC 2000, BBC Resources its own section with two credits:
Programming Consultant - Dave Bevan
Software Programmer - Silke Kramer

Could that be referring to the scoreboard?
TO
topdog2006
gottago posted:
Maps at Eurovision are a big no-no now since the Armenia/Azerbaijan situation and Kosovo went independent. Remember in 2010 when they showed the shape of each country above the audience but "accidently" didn't show all of Serbia, Armenia and Azerbaijan?


I think this is also why they stopped using maps as part of the voting and scoreboards after 2007, there were too many disputes about the borders of several of the countries shown (although I think in 2007 the shapes of most countries were deliberately made vague to try and avoid this).

The year after they stopped using the maps for voting however, in 2008 they did add the counter on the scoreboard to show how many countries were left to vote, which has remained ever since.


Thinker posted:
topdog2006 posted:
They did actually manage the scoreboard in Sweden 2000 as well, although I don't think they were credited for it that time.


Just looked through the credits for ESC 2000, BBC Resources its own section with two credits:
Programming Consultant - Dave Bevan
Software Programmer - Silke Kramer

Could that be referring to the scoreboard?


Ah yes most likely it is. What I should have said was the BBC Resources logo wasn't actually displayed on the scoreboard itself as in 1999.
IS
Inspector Sands
Interesting little insight into next year's Eurovision:
http://www.escinsight.com/2012/05/28/nine-things-we-expect-from-sweden-and-eurovision-2013/
VM
VMPhil
Thought some of you may enjoy this...

DS
Didely Squit!
In my opinion the best set of graphics of recent Eurovision times was in Kiev in 2005. I thought the style and animation was fantastic and looked fresh:



NG
noggin Founding member
deejay posted:
noggin posted:
deejay posted:

This year of course, much was made of the excitement algorithm they'd used that was supposed to make it unclear who was going to win from the start. Something that evidently didn't work at all - it was the dullest voting since Alexander Rybak IMO.


Well - with all but a couple of countries giving Sweden 6+ votes, and a huge number of 12 points, whichever order the votes were given it would have been the same surely? What order would have been better?

The algorithm will make a tight competition more exciting, but it can't do anything with a landslide...


Fair point, but I think I'd have rather not known that they'd tried to make it exciting, I suspect the organisers are now slightly regretting making a big thing of the order having been calculated to be exciting ... Smile


Was it a new algorithm this year? They set the voting order based on the semi-final voting and the jury dress-rehearsal voting last year as well - did they make a bigger thing of it this year because they had a new algorithm - or did people just pick up on it more?
NG
noggin Founding member
Thinker posted:
topdog2006 posted:
They did actually manage the scoreboard in Sweden 2000 as well, although I don't think they were credited for it that time.


Just looked through the credits for ESC 2000, BBC Resources its own section with two credits:
Programming Consultant - Dave Bevan
Software Programmer - Silke Kramer

Could that be referring to the scoreboard?


Those people are definitely behind the scoreboard. They were name-checked in 1998 (or possibly 1999) by Terry...

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