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gottago
RTÉ most probably cant afford anything grander, and the reason why they are making next to no effort is they would probably not be able to host the event if they won.

IIRC, Norwegian broadcaster NRK had to drop a lot of its sports coverage to meet the bill in 2010.
Producing a better national final isn't going to make victory any more likely. They've only got a one in 25 chance of winning and that's if they qualify from the semi. Look at Sweden, an incredible NF that is by far the highest rated programme each year yet they haven't won the contest since 1999, three years before the current NF format was introduced.

The reason why the Late Late Show was so poor was because, frankly, RTE cannot produce entertainment to high standard. It's barely producing it to an acceptable standard. Even Iceland was able to produce something better than that. They might not have any money but they've still got to serve the public with television worth paying for. I'm sure they can at least afford a decent sound engineer to sort out the sound issues they have with the music year after year.

I think time is long overdue to end the tradition that whichever country wins the Eurovision Song Contest hosts it the following year.

Wind back to the 1990s. Ireland won in 1992, and hence hosted it in 1993 from Millstreet.
Ireland won again in 1993, and hence hosted it in 1994 from Dublin.

Why didn't the EBU excuse RTE from hosting the 1995 ESC, and offer Poland (who came 2nd in 1994) the chance to host the 1995 contest? I don't think it was fair to expect Ireland to host the Contest 3 years running.

In 1996 Ireland won for the fourth time in 5 years, and hence in hosted it for the 4th time in 5 years in 1997.

Contrary to any rumours that may have been circulating by the late 1990s, I think Ireland were grateful and proud to have won 4 times in 5 years, but were getting fed up with footing the bill for hosting it so often.
There's no need to change the rules, they're fine as they are. RTE could have easily rejected the right to host the contest all those years ago just as several other countries had done before them. The BBC even offered to co-fund the event if it was held in Northern Ireland in 1997 but they rejected that outright so it was clearly all about pride rather than money when it came to hosting Eurovision.
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deejay
Back in the 60s and 70s, the BBC hosted 4 contests when national broadcasters declined the chance to host following a win (in 1960, 63, 72 and 74). The only other country to host without winning (since the winner's host rule was introduced that is) was Dutch broadcaster NOS in 1980, following Israel's win for the second year running. NOS agreed to host instead on the understanding that the contest would essentially be the same as it was in 1976 to reduce costs. They reused a lot of elements from the 76 production and dispensed with postcards, getting a spokesperson from each country to introduce each act instead (The UK's act was introduced by Noel Edmonds!). Since 1981, it's always been hosted by the winning state, even If there have been times when it was assumed by many that the cost of the contest would be too much for some of the smaller countries. In recent years of course, the event has become a big sponsorship draw - and commercial involvement in the contest these days actually makes me wonder if that would cause huge problem should the UK win again.
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eoin
Producing a better national final isn't going to make victory any more likely.

Maybe not, but it reflects an attitude.

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The reason why the Late Late Show was so poor was because, frankly, RTE cannot be bothered to produce entertainment to high standard.

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WW Update
As seen during the Slovenian final tonight -- some top international singers have joined forces for a Band Aid-style charity event to help Slovenia win the ESC:



Wink

(Yes, it's all one guy.)
Last edited by WW Update on 26 February 2012 11:17pm
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Worzel
I think the BBC need to chose their song earlier, to get it performed across Europe (where they take Eurovision a lot more seriously and will invite other countries' artists on to TV shows - even selection shows if you've already chosen)

The problem is that the BBC would need to find a selection format that would also deliver ratings. The only one that has recently was the Norton/Webber multi-week show that was a hasty replacement for a "Maria/Joseph/Nancy" format show. They need to find a slot for it, and a format that will work...

A real issue is that the prize - representing the UK at Eurovision - is hardly a competitor for a starring role in a West End show etc., a record deal with Simon Cowell etc.


I think everyone's missing the point and two words which would make a good Eurovision for the UK - Take That.
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Worzel
And its Jedward yet again that are representing Ireland at this year's Eurovision with a track called Waterline....

Whats the chances of them beating the UK again this year?


Why don't we, the UK go the whole hog and enter Mr Blobby and then we may win. Smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h37KQu64RY4

If we want something stupid and comical that would probably work.

Failing that, as I've mentioned previously - our best chance of a Eurovision win would be a song written by Gary Barlow and performed by Take That (which sadly won't happen as Gary Barlow has said no to it so many times). I've said many times before that Take That's song 'Rule The World' would have been a phenominal entry for Eurovision.

I think what people forget is back in 1997 when Katrina and the Waves won with Love Shine A Light is that everything was done perfectly that year in Dublin and has never been, want of a better word 'recreated' since. The song was written to perfection by Kimberley Rew (the guitarist in K&TW who I actually met a few months ago strangely enough), it was released in good-time before the finals night, was doing well in the UK charts (made it to number 3) and had airplay (I believe) in Europe and publicity was done prior to the final. I remember hearing the song back in 1997 before finals night and the hairs stood up on the back of my neck and I thought (although I was very young) 'this is sure to win' and it did. The performance on the night was flawless and note perfect, the song was written properly by an musician and songwriter, who knew the singer and most importantly had performed with the singer who was going to sing the song, so sould custom it to their needs. Plus, all the work was put in place before hand - and it was clear that Katrina and the group put their heart and sole in to the performance. Do we genuinely believe that any songs or acts we've put in between 1998 and 2012 have had the same standard or come anywhere near close?

It was done back in '97, can be done again, but for some reason never is. I don't believe its just soley down to money, or friendly voting (I do understand it does take place, but not to the extremes that some pundits make out). I think its just the slap-dash attitude that the UK (and maybe the partial fault of the BBC) have to Eurovision. I don't remember such attitudes when we won or were getting songs into the top 10's on finals nights. Baring in mind we're one of the biggest payers into Eurovision money wise, I think its quite bad we care so little sometimes at the acts we put in.

I'll leave you with a thought. Can you think of any UK Entry Eurovision songs being played on the radio since 1997; before a finals night. I don't believe I can sadly.

For the memories - here is the performance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8oTtSTRdSw

BTW, people always moan about friendly voting - the answer is simple really...
Give each act a letter or number, don't tell people which country they are performing for and you vote for the act and not the country - most of the acts perform in English anyway!
Last edited by Worzel on 1 March 2012 5:57am - 23 times in total
DE
deejay
Well actually I remember Scott Mills on Radio 1 playing Sebastien Tellier's (slightly odd) French entry in 2008. Scott is a well known Eurovision fan and gave this song his backing when he said something along the lines of "This guy's pretty well respected in independent music circles and this song's not half bad." Unfortunately the song came in 18th. You're right though Worzel, in that airplay of Eurovision entries in the UK is virtually non-existant ahead of the contest, whereas in Scandinavian countries in particular where the selection shows are literally the biggest thing on television and a major source of national pride, airplay leading up to the finals is a major part of the build up.

To be honest, unless the BBC commits to a big selection show for several years and sticks with it, the public and industry apathy to the contest in the UK isn't going to change. Doing it the "Blue" way is probably not a bad way for the BBC to go about things - quietly and secretly. So long as it's successful, doesn't come last, and doesn't cost the Earth, it's going to please most people. Even if it doesn't win. Sadly.
DE
deejay
The BBC is to announce the UK Entrant today apparently:
http://www.eurovision.tv/page/news?id=47963
WW
WW Update
As seen during the Slovenian final tonight -- some top international singers have joined forces for a Band Aid-style charity event to help Slovenia win the ESC:

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Wink

(Yes, it's all one guy.)


The video above has been taken down, so if you're interested, here's another link:

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SomeRandomStuff
As seen during the Slovenian final tonight -- some top international singers have joined forces for a Band Aid-style charity event to help Slovenia win the ESC:

G_MA9cQogvw

Wink

(Yes, it's all one guy.)


The video above has been taken down, so if you're interested, here's another link:



...well that's not going to win is it... stupid slovenians... "give us 12 points" Eff Off.

Songs that never win... anything Patriotic, or songs that say "we will win", or "vote for me".
DV
DVB Cornwall
That's NOT the entry though.
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Jon

...well that's not going to win is it... stupid slovenians... "give us 12 points" Eff Off.

If it was the entry it would be a high contender. I suspect it borrows too much from other songs though.

I'm sure this, probably my favourite Eurovision song ever, finished about 5th.



It's just a bit of cheeky fun really.

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