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Azerbaijan - Winner - Sweden - Loreen 'Euphoria' (May 2011)

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NG
noggin Founding member
Neo posted:
Neo posted:
Surely it should be against the rules for country A to play the Eurovision performance of country B before the actual contest, but not all the other entries. It would be unfair against all the other countries that didn't get played in country A.


What about radio play, broadcast on non-EBU outlets etc.? The only way to enforce this would be to preclude commercial release before the contest ( including the EBU CD release.. .) Not going to happen...

Well no because the official EBU CD contains the songs of all countries - so that's fair. I think if a country (broadcaster) wanted to play their own song before the contest, that's also okay. But if a country plays a Eurovision entry other than their own, that's what will be unfair unless they play them all. It's a bit like the "political voting".


You're missing my point - if the CD is released commercially, the chances are it would be cleared for radio play and use on TV - and thus a radio or TV station can play any track they like (on the proviso they pay for it or if it is included in their blanket agreement)

Few record companies would release a record and then cut off a revenue stream...

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eg. if all countries played just their own entry before the contest, but country A played their own entry and the country B's entry before the contest, that would give country B an unfair advantage.


And who would monitor the hundreds of commercial radio and TV stations in the 49ish competing countries?

Either you don't release the tracks before the contest or you do. In reality it is unrealistic to expect that acts and labels will forego the income from commercial needle time etc. They wouldn't release a CD at all if your approach was followed.

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If countries are going to play the entries of their neighbours or just a few of the entries,, that's going to give those groups of countries unfair advantages over the rest, and lead to "political voting".


Yes - but life isn't fair. Do you really expect a Danish radio station to play over 2 hours of music (i.e. the other 40+ entrants?) because they've played the Swedish entry???

Come on - you have to inhabit the real world!
RM
Roger Mellie
Seriously though, Engelbert isn't such a bad choice-- let's not forget there was a period when he out-sold The Beatles.

The 1950s?


To paraphrase Ken Bruce-- "one decade out"-- EH outsold the Beatles in the late 1960s.

Not that I see when his chart success was, as being relevant: Let's not forget that Katrina & The Waves won EV, eleven years after last having a hit in the UK. Engelbert continues to tour, and by all accounts is still in fine form

Unlike some of recent offerings, at least EH is well-known (who was last year's UK entrant again?), can sing (Gemini anyone?) and has proven commercial success (confer Lulu and Sandy Shaw back in the day). So he has nothing to prove/lose; in contrast to today's artistes, who (I imagine) don't wish to touch EV, for fear of it terminally damaging their careers. Indeed Blue last year admitted they were using EV as a springboard to relaunch their career as a group...

EH's talent and person popularity is no doubt; so all he needs is a decent song, perhaps Sir Andrew could do the honours again.
NE
Neo
EH's talent and person popularity is no doubt; so all he needs is a decent song, perhaps Sir Andrew could do the honours again.

I think it's going to be written by Martin Terefe and Sacha Skarbek.
Last edited by Neo on 5 March 2012 6:52pm
DV
DVB Cornwall
Not unsurprisingly, knowing the tensions and past war between Azerbaijan and Armenia, Armenia have announced their withdrawal from the contest.


see here ……..

WWW.EUROVISION.TV
07-Mar-2012 @ 08:40
NG
noggin Founding member
Not unsurprisingly, knowing the tensions and past war between Azerbaijan and Armenia, Armenia have announced their withdrawal from the contest.


see here ……..

WWW.EUROVISION.TV
07-Mar-2012 @ 08:40


Yep - not surprising at all. Haven't there been issues in the past - where there were suggestions that Azerbaijan phonevotes for Armenia in previous contests caused families to be harassed/investigated by secret police etc.

Given Azerbaijan's slightly neolithic approach to human rights - be interesting to see how they cope with a large influx of the Eurovision constituency.
DV
DVB Cornwall

Russia has decided on this rather hip group tonight.
GO
gottago
^^^ Although that's their 2010 effort, this is the entry being sent:

AG
AxG
OMG, they had Dima Bilan to pick from and chose the Babushka's, excellent Smile
SR
SomeRandomStuff
That is so unbelievably horrendous... it might win. Laughing
JW
JamesWorldNews
I truly think the Russian Grannies will win. They're bound to become an Internet sensation a la Susan Boyle (minus the voice) and public reaction together with the feel good factor will help them along.

Plus a few million votes from friendly neighboring countries?

And, let's face it, which of us wouldn't vote for our own Granny if she were to enter such an unlikely scenario?

Three Cheers for the Russian Grannies. Power to their (bony) elbows.
HC
Hatton Cross
Hmmm.. Is it too ethnic to pick up the passing votes from the former communist states? If they make the live final, it'll get 12 from the UK because it's bizzare.

But put them and Humperdick on the same stage and you'll have a combined age of..ohhh. 430? Very Happy

Seriously, novelty factor turned up to 100%. It's even more stunting that Jedward.
Either this will fly and fly and fly - or fly like a piano in a block of concrete.
BR
Brekkie
I truly think the Russian Grannies will win. They're bound to become an Internet sensation a la Susan Boyle (minus the voice) and public reaction together with the feel good factor will help them along.

Plus a few million votes from friendly neighboring countries?

I'm not sure many of Russia's neighbours are on friendly terms.

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