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Eurovision 2011 - 10/12/14 May 2011

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CH
Chie
Neo posted:
They can say "email us at eurovision@bbc.co.uk" or contact us at "www.bbc.co.uk/eurovision".


But then all your followers can't see that you're communicating with the BBC. Confused
NE
Neo
Chie posted:
Neo posted:
They can say "email us at eurovision@bbc.co.uk" or contact us at "www.bbc.co.uk/eurovision".


But then all your followers can't see that you're communicating with the BBC. Confused

They can if they watch Eurovision and see/hear their comments on TV.
DO
dosxuk
Neo posted:
dosxuk posted:

There's an open source version of Facebook, with no brand, which everyone can access immediately, but doesn't have a company behind it?

Yes, it's called Diaspora (I think it's still being developed right now though), and it has funding of over $200,000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_%28software%29
https://joindiaspora.com/


Which when completed and open to the public, will have a brand, like Android. "Contact us at diaspora.com/bbceurovision" is no different to "Contact us at facebook.com/bbceurovision".

Neo posted:
They can say "email us at eurovision@bbc.co.uk" or contact us at "www.bbc.co.uk/eurovision".


Except that people don't use email or webforms for quick thoughts and opinions. They use twitter and facebook.
CH
Chie
dosxuk posted:
Except that people don't use email or webforms for quick thoughts and opinions.


There's no reason why they can't.
NE
Neo
dosxuk posted:

Except that people don't use email or webforms for quick thoughts and opinions. They use twitter and facebook.

I'm using this webform for quick thoughts and opinions.
BA
Badger264
Facebook and Twitter are household brands and has long passed the need to be advertised. A mention of it is probably at the point where it is just like saying "contact us via email".

To remove Facebook and Twitter from the BBC would be ridiculous and would be a step backwards. All of the other broadcasters promote their pages and they become more interactive because of it. TV needs to move with the times to survive and social networking is the flavour of the moment.


Neo posted:
dosxuk posted:

Except that people don't use email or webforms for quick thoughts and opinions. They use twitter and facebook.

I'm using this webform for quick thoughts and opinions.


Gauging opinion like that will only attract the type of people who visit these types of forums and write in to Points of View or Newswatch. To get a more general opinion it needs to become accessible, some people just can't be bothered doing it the traditional way.
Last edited by Badger264 on 17 May 2011 5:48pm
DO
dosxuk
Neo posted:
dosxuk posted:

Except that people don't use email or webforms for quick thoughts and opinions. They use twitter and facebook.

I'm using this webform for quick thoughts and opinions.


But if the form to add your comment was on another website, (without a link so you had to type it in), would you be posting as much?
DV
DVB Cornwall
Neo posted:
Chie posted:
Neo posted:
They can say "email us at eurovision@bbc.co.uk" or contact us at "www.bbc.co.uk/eurovision".


But then all your followers can't see that you're communicating with the BBC. Confused

They can if they watch Eurovision and see/hear their comments on TV.


But if they are not shown, they are lost, with Facebook and Twitter they are available for all to see.
NE
Neo
DVB Cornwall posted:

But if they are not shown, they are lost, with Facebook and Twitter they are available for all to see.

They won't be lost even if they aren't read out/shown on the Eurovision programmes if they are still on the BBC website.
NE
Neo
dosxuk posted:
But if the form to add your comment was on another website, (without a link so you had to type it in), would you be posting as much?

If I wanted my Eurovision comments read out/shown on TV on the Eurovision programmes themselves, yes probably.
BR
Brekkie
Neo posted:
Orry Verducci posted:
Therefore they can't show the Eurovision sponsorship, such as the Vodafone logo, as they have paid the EBU which the BBC is part of for their logos to be displayed and given priority over their competitors.

What about when they broadcast the Orange BAFTA Film Awards, sponsored by Orange, with the Orange logo and name appearing on the podium throughout the programme, and they say something like "and here's a special award decided by/given out by Orange", but they blank out a competing phone company on the Eurovision programmes.

Exactly - are Vodafone not paying towards the staging of the event, rather than to the broadcaster directly. It's no different surely to them flashing up all the sponsor logos of the various leagues during Final Score.

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The social network sites on the other hand haven't paid the BBC to use and promote them, and none of them are given priority over the others, so for example Twitter and Facebook along with the BBC website were given equal advertising. Also they weren't advertising the services themselves at all, they just mearly provided new easy ways to contact them over these services if the viewers just happen to be members of them, which I imagine a good number are these days.

Well nothing's stopping them from saying "email the BBC" or use a particular newsgroup or the open source version of Facebook (there's supposed to be an open source one, not called Facebook) or "contact us at bbc.co.uk" on a certain BBC page. And yes, they could write/help to write/specify their own system, and make it open source if they wanted to.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be mentioned, but not 25 times during a show. A couple of mentions at key points would have been fine, with any other refferals directing people to the BBC.co.uk site to find the necessary details. Indeed I'm fed up of broadcasters pointing people towards Twitter or Facebook rather than their own proper website. If I want BBC info online, or indeed to contact the BBC, I don't expect to have to go through a third party - and indeed the same for any broadcaster.
DO
dosxuk
Brekkie posted:
Neo posted:
Orry Verducci posted:
Therefore they can't show the Eurovision sponsorship, such as the Vodafone logo, as they have paid the EBU which the BBC is part of for their logos to be displayed and given priority over their competitors.

What about when they broadcast the Orange BAFTA Film Awards, sponsored by Orange, with the Orange logo and name appearing on the podium throughout the programme, and they say something like "and here's a special award decided by/given out by Orange", but they blank out a competing phone company on the Eurovision programmes.

Exactly - are Vodafone not paying towards the staging of the event, rather than to the broadcaster directly. It's no different surely to them flashing up all the sponsor logos of the various leagues during Final Score.


The difference here is that the various companies sponsor the titles of the events - the legal name of the top flight of the Football League is the "Npower Championship", likewise it's the "Orange BAFTA Film Awards", or the "BetFred.com World Snooker Championship". It wasn't the "Vodafone Eurovision Song Contest" on Saturday.

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