The answer to all your questions, squawkBOX is 'because of stupid people'.
It's a shame people are so stupid. I think even Paddy was getting sarcastic at times.. especially when the end voting board appeared, something like "You cannot vote. Do NOT even look at these numbers! They mean nothing to us! Do NOT look"
The answer to all your questions, squawkBOX is 'because of stupid people'.
It's a shame people are so stupid. I think even Paddy was getting sarcastic at times.. especially when the end voting board appeared, something like "You cannot vote. Do NOT even look at these numbers! They mean nothing to us! Do NOT look"
Think you misread Paddy. He wasn't being sarcastic - more being silly in a surreal kind of way. He's not a sarcastic kind of broadcaster usual - he's warmer than that.
On a slightly different matter, I assume the BBC will cut away early from the final broadcast again due to all the sponsorship logos? This I don't quite understand, as they reference "Telenor Arena" in the broadcast themselves and in football you can see all the adverts at the side of the pitch. Why should Eurovision be any different?
The Telenor Arena is just like the O2 Arena - it is the name of the venue as well as the name of a company (like the Emirates stadium here)
The reason the BBC opt away from the credits is that, unlike the football adverts where they are part of an event being covered (rather than part of the coverage), the sponsors for Eurovision are contributing to the programme itself - which is different. The BBC rules on sponsorship are quite clear - and broadcasting Eurovision without blanking the sponsorship elements which had been inserted by the broadcaster into the broadcast would be an issue.
The interesting thing is, during the Serbian postcard, the camera panned away from the map, and I'm wondering whether their was an issue with whether Kosovo was not on the map or on the map or a mistake?
The answer to all your questions, squawkBOX is 'because of stupid people'.
It's a shame people are so stupid. I think even Paddy was getting sarcastic at times.. especially when the end voting board appeared, something like "You cannot vote. Do NOT even look at these numbers! They mean nothing to us! Do NOT look"
Think you misread Paddy. He wasn't being sarcastic - more being silly in a surreal kind of way. He's not a sarcastic kind of broadcaster usual - he's warmer than that.
Was wondering if NRK might have some sponsorship issues... They don't have quite such a strict delineation as the BBC (the NRK Winter Olympics had some sponsorship stings ISTR) - but the Telenor scoreboard was an interesting one.
Do Digame.de still provide the televoting service across Europe? They used to sponsor the scoreboard ISTR.
They do that in Melodifestivalen for the final. I quite like it as you get to see a different side of the artist(s) - nervous, having fun etc. I think that keeping the post card simple allows for this - as you're staying in the arena with this style of post-card, rather than going to and from VT (which is how MF do it - though they use interviews with the artist as their "postcard" and carry on overlaying the audio over the backstage cutaway)
I think my problem with it mainly is that the transition into and out of the 'postcard' sequence is nice and smooth... ruined by a jarring cut to the performer mid-way through.
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I think the semi-VRness of the card graphics, with a virtual screen locked to the crane worked really nicely though - and very cost-effective.
The graphics themselves are very simple and effective too
Would it really matter if we saw the Telenor logo in the UK, it's not as if they operate in the UK?
Err - Telenor DO operate in the UK. They're a major satellite operator via their TelenorSBC subsidiary - and a number of UK-based channels, including those run by BBC Worldwide and Discovery Networks, use their space segments...
They run the main constellation of satellites at 0.8W (aka Thor) - which provides broadcast capacity one of the two main Scandinavian pay-tv platforms (Canal Digital) as well as SNG capacity.
And whether a company operates in the BBC domestic territory or not isn't the issue per se - the issue is the presence of sponsorship elements, where the actual TV show is being sponsored, rather than an independent event. If the show had commercial breaks in it which contained adverts for Norwegian-only products - would that be acceptable?
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Anyone know how the BBC (and others) omit the logo, is there a seperate non-logo'd feed is there some way they can cover it up automatically?
AIUI the logo normally mixes up and down over an area of solid colour, so the minute the BBC gallery see the scoreboard, they superimpose a grab of the blank colour to mask the area where the logo will appear, so that it is hidden as the logo mixes up. As soon as they see the logo disappear from the host feed they remove the block masking the logo area, before the feed cuts away from the board, to avoid seeing the block of mask over the camera shot (usually - they've been caught out in previous years ISTR). I don't think there has ever been a separate logo-free feed.
They use a similar technique to block the contestant number for the UK entry (which because it animates left to right this year during the song, will either mean a constant strap or someone keeping a very close eye on timing during the performance!)
Err - Telenor DO operate in the UK. They're a major satellite operator via their TelenorSBC subsidiary - and a number of UK-based channels, including those run by BBC Worldwide and Discovery Networks, use their space segments...
I didn't know that, but still, how many people watching are actually in a position to be able to use their services?
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If the show had commercial breaks in it which contained adverts for Norwegian-only products - would that be acceptable?
Playing devils advocate I'd say are they actually adverts if they're for things you can't actually buy?
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AIUI the logo normally mixes up and down over an area of solid colour, so the minute the BBC gallery see the scoreboard, they superimpose a grab of the blank colour to mask the area where the logo will appear, so that it is hidden as the logo mixes up. As soon as they see the logo disappear from the host feed they remove the block masking the logo area, before the feed cuts away from the board, to avoid seeing the block of mask over the camera shot (usually - they've been caught out in previous years ISTR). I don't think there has ever been a separate logo-free feed.
So the logo fades up and down seperately from the scoreboard graphic leading and lagging by a few seconds?
The interesting thing is, during the Serbian postcard, the camera panned away from the map, and I'm wondering whether their was an issue with whether Kosovo was not on the map or on the map or a mistake?
I pretty sure it was intentional but they tried to make it look like a mistake so as not to offend anyone. Don't be unsurprised if they do it again this Saturday.
I don't think they'll do it for Georgia though as Russia's the only participant that recognises the break away regions.
A bit OT but on this whole logo placement within programmes issue, how come the BBC is able to display the IBM logo during Wimbledon on its own graphics and on the live scoreboards on the red button service?
