NE
It wasn't a very nice joke of NRK/the EBU. When Blu-ray 3D is coming out (but with zero 3D titles on sale) and 3D TVs are coming out, etc. and they say they are going to record this programme for the first time in 3D and then later say no we're not it was just a joke
It's like them saying "we're going to record it in high definition" then later saying "no we're not we were just joking". It's like false advertising. This is the sort of programme they should be thinking about recording in 3D. For the biggest broadcasting union to say they are going to record one of the biggest TV programmes in 3D and then later on say "no we're not it was just a big joke" isn't very good. 
But I wasn't fooled though 
And you can get anaglyph 3D glasses in red and green, as well as ones in red and blue, and red and cyan, and other colours. Though red+blue are probably the most common so the "red+green" would have been part of the joke. And if they released it on Blu-ray in 3D it wouldn't need to be anaglyph anyway it would be the better stereoscopic 3D system that the new Blu-ray 3D uses.
Though I suppose it would be too expensive to record it in 3D right now (twice the cameras or lenses). More data (if done properly). Probably new mixers too maybe?
http://www.eurovision.tv/page/news?id=11283&_t=Eurovision+2010%3A+NRK+and+EBU+to+broadcast+in+3D
Eurovision in 3D or just a late April Fools?
Can't help but notice they say you need the "well known red-green" (I thought they were red-blue?!) glasses but the picture they've linked to at the bottom is one of those clear sets of glasses you get in the cinema.
Eurovision in 3D or just a late April Fools?
Can't help but notice they say you need the "well known red-green" (I thought they were red-blue?!) glasses but the picture they've linked to at the bottom is one of those clear sets of glasses you get in the cinema.
It wasn't a very nice joke of NRK/the EBU. When Blu-ray 3D is coming out (but with zero 3D titles on sale) and 3D TVs are coming out, etc. and they say they are going to record this programme for the first time in 3D and then later say no we're not it was just a joke
It's like them saying "we're going to record it in high definition" then later saying "no we're not we were just joking". It's like false advertising. This is the sort of programme they should be thinking about recording in 3D. For the biggest broadcasting union to say they are going to record one of the biggest TV programmes in 3D and then later on say "no we're not it was just a big joke" isn't very good. But I wasn't fooled though
And you can get anaglyph 3D glasses in red and green, as well as ones in red and blue, and red and cyan, and other colours. Though red+blue are probably the most common so the "red+green" would have been part of the joke. And if they released it on Blu-ray in 3D it wouldn't need to be anaglyph anyway it would be the better stereoscopic 3D system that the new Blu-ray 3D uses.
Though I suppose it would be too expensive to record it in 3D right now (twice the cameras or lenses). More data (if done properly). Probably new mixers too maybe?
Last edited by Neo on 2 April 2010 8:57am - 5 times in total
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To do 3D properly, you can use existing vision mixers, EVS servers and VTRs, as well as conventional and current matrices. You just lose half of your facilities, or need twice as many of them.
You slave EVS/VTRs into left/right pairs, and you either lose half your keyers or half your ME banks as they become slaved together to do a left/right slaved cut.
To do a simple 6 camera 3D show, you'd need a truck more suited to a more complex 12 camera 2D show, with more VT/EVS, more camera sources on the matrix, more destinations on the matrix, and a vision mixer with far more facilities than is needed.
You need to have software on the mixer that allows slaved cutting (most have this anyway for clean-feed or automatic alternate cut generation) and you also need specific kit for depth measurement and modification, and space for stereographers to sit to control and monitor this.
3G infrastructure (which is designed for 1080/50p video) may help with this - as I suspect most of it will now be designed to route and process 2x1080/50i video over 3G as well for the eye feeds.
I have to say that I realised the NRK thing was an April Fool from the top line - but I have seen the current state-of-the-art in 3D production (like the 3D Steadicam) - and there is no way a show as high profile as Eurovision would use this immature tech for a live mainstream show. I would struggle to imagine them doing it in parallel as a trial either - as the style of production doesn't allow it in the same way as a camera 1 sport like football or rugby does. (Where you can shoot from the other side of the pitch and keep out of each others way.)
You slave EVS/VTRs into left/right pairs, and you either lose half your keyers or half your ME banks as they become slaved together to do a left/right slaved cut.
To do a simple 6 camera 3D show, you'd need a truck more suited to a more complex 12 camera 2D show, with more VT/EVS, more camera sources on the matrix, more destinations on the matrix, and a vision mixer with far more facilities than is needed.
You need to have software on the mixer that allows slaved cutting (most have this anyway for clean-feed or automatic alternate cut generation) and you also need specific kit for depth measurement and modification, and space for stereographers to sit to control and monitor this.
3G infrastructure (which is designed for 1080/50p video) may help with this - as I suspect most of it will now be designed to route and process 2x1080/50i video over 3G as well for the eye feeds.
I have to say that I realised the NRK thing was an April Fool from the top line - but I have seen the current state-of-the-art in 3D production (like the 3D Steadicam) - and there is no way a show as high profile as Eurovision would use this immature tech for a live mainstream show. I would struggle to imagine them doing it in parallel as a trial either - as the style of production doesn't allow it in the same way as a camera 1 sport like football or rugby does. (Where you can shoot from the other side of the pitch and keep out of each others way.)
DV
Participants at the Eurovision Song Contest 2010 Semi-Final (1)
MOLDOVA --- TRM --- Run Away --- Sunstroke Project & Olia Tira
RUSSIA --- RTR --- Lost And Forgotten --- Peter Nalitch & Friends
ESTONIA --- ETV --- Siren --- Malcolm Lincoln
SLOVAKIA --- STV --- Horehronie --- Kristina Pelakova
FINLAND --- YLE --- Työlki Ellää --- Kuunkuiskaajat
LATVIA --- LTV --- What For? --- Aisha
SERBIA --- RTS --- Ovo Je Balkan --- Milan Stankoviæ
BOSNIA & HERZEGOVINA --- BHRT --- Thunder And Lightning --- Vukašin Brajiæ
POLAND --- TVP --- Legenda --- Marcin Mroziñski
BELGIUM --- VRT --- Me And My Guitar --- Tom Dice
MALTA --- PBS --- My Dream --- Thea Garrett
ALBANIA --- RTSH --- It's All About You --- Juliana Pasha
GREECE --- ERT --- OPA --- Giorgos Alkaios & Friends
PORTUGAL --- RTP --- Há Dias Assim --- Filipa Azevedo
F.Y.R. MACEDONIA --- MKRTV --- Jas Ja Imam Silata --- Gjoko Taneski
BELARUS --- BTRC --- Butterflies --- 3+2
ICELAND --- RÚV --- Je Ne Sais Quoi --- Hera Björk
MOLDOVA --- TRM --- Run Away --- Sunstroke Project & Olia Tira
RUSSIA --- RTR --- Lost And Forgotten --- Peter Nalitch & Friends
ESTONIA --- ETV --- Siren --- Malcolm Lincoln
SLOVAKIA --- STV --- Horehronie --- Kristina Pelakova
FINLAND --- YLE --- Työlki Ellää --- Kuunkuiskaajat
LATVIA --- LTV --- What For? --- Aisha
SERBIA --- RTS --- Ovo Je Balkan --- Milan Stankoviæ
BOSNIA & HERZEGOVINA --- BHRT --- Thunder And Lightning --- Vukašin Brajiæ
POLAND --- TVP --- Legenda --- Marcin Mroziñski
BELGIUM --- VRT --- Me And My Guitar --- Tom Dice
MALTA --- PBS --- My Dream --- Thea Garrett
ALBANIA --- RTSH --- It's All About You --- Juliana Pasha
GREECE --- ERT --- OPA --- Giorgos Alkaios & Friends
PORTUGAL --- RTP --- Há Dias Assim --- Filipa Azevedo
F.Y.R. MACEDONIA --- MKRTV --- Jas Ja Imam Silata --- Gjoko Taneski
BELARUS --- BTRC --- Butterflies --- 3+2
ICELAND --- RÚV --- Je Ne Sais Quoi --- Hera Björk
DV
Participants at the Eurovision Song Contest 2010 Semi-Final (2)
LITHUANIA --- LRT --- East European Funk --- InCulto
ARMENIA --- AMPTV --- Apricot Stone --- Eva Rivas
ISRAEL --- IBA --- Milim --- Harel Skaat
DENMARK --- DR --- In A Moment Like This --- Chanée & N'evergreen
SWITZERLAND --- SRG SSR idée suisse --- Il Pleut de L'Or --- Michael von der Heide
SWEDEN --- SVT --- This Is My Life --- Anna Bergendahl
AZERBAIJAN --- İctimai --- Drip Drop --- Safura
UKRAINE --- NTU --- Sweet People --- Alyosha
THE NETHERLANDS --- TROS --- Ik Ben Verliefd (Sha-la-lie) --- Sieneke
ROMANIA --- TVR --- Playing With Fire --- Paula Seling & Ovi
SLOVENIA --- RTVSLO --- Narodnozabavni Rock --- Ansambel Žlindra & Kalamari
IRELAND --- RTÉ --- It's For You --- Niamh Kavanagh
BULGARIA --- BNT --- Angel Si Ti --- Miro
CYPRUS --- CyBC --- Life Looks Better In Spring --- Jon Lilygreen & The Islanders
CROATIA --- HRT --- Lako Je Sve --- Feminnem
GEORGIA --- GPB --- Shine --- Sofia Nizharadze
TURKEY --- TRT --- We Could Be The Same --- maNga
LITHUANIA --- LRT --- East European Funk --- InCulto
ARMENIA --- AMPTV --- Apricot Stone --- Eva Rivas
ISRAEL --- IBA --- Milim --- Harel Skaat
DENMARK --- DR --- In A Moment Like This --- Chanée & N'evergreen
SWITZERLAND --- SRG SSR idée suisse --- Il Pleut de L'Or --- Michael von der Heide
SWEDEN --- SVT --- This Is My Life --- Anna Bergendahl
AZERBAIJAN --- İctimai --- Drip Drop --- Safura
UKRAINE --- NTU --- Sweet People --- Alyosha
THE NETHERLANDS --- TROS --- Ik Ben Verliefd (Sha-la-lie) --- Sieneke
ROMANIA --- TVR --- Playing With Fire --- Paula Seling & Ovi
SLOVENIA --- RTVSLO --- Narodnozabavni Rock --- Ansambel Žlindra & Kalamari
IRELAND --- RTÉ --- It's For You --- Niamh Kavanagh
BULGARIA --- BNT --- Angel Si Ti --- Miro
CYPRUS --- CyBC --- Life Looks Better In Spring --- Jon Lilygreen & The Islanders
CROATIA --- HRT --- Lako Je Sve --- Feminnem
GEORGIA --- GPB --- Shine --- Sofia Nizharadze
TURKEY --- TRT --- We Could Be The Same --- maNga
DV
Participants at the Eurovision Song Contest 2010 Final
FRANCE --- France 3 --- Alllez Olla Olé --- Jessy Matador
GERMANY --- NDR --- Satellite --- Lena
NORWAY --- NRK --- My Heart Is Yours --- Didrik Solli-Tangen
SPAIN --- TVE --- Algo Pequeñito (Something Tiny) --- Daniel Diges
UNITED KINGDOM --- BBC --- That Sounds Good To Me --- Josh
FRANCE --- France 3 --- Alllez Olla Olé --- Jessy Matador
GERMANY --- NDR --- Satellite --- Lena
NORWAY --- NRK --- My Heart Is Yours --- Didrik Solli-Tangen
SPAIN --- TVE --- Algo Pequeñito (Something Tiny) --- Daniel Diges
UNITED KINGDOM --- BBC --- That Sounds Good To Me --- Josh
PH
Does anybody know if there's a production team diary/blog this year like previous years?
Here's 2009's: http://www.m-m-pr.com/index.php/eurovision-diary/
Here's 2009's: http://www.m-m-pr.com/index.php/eurovision-diary/
DO
Doubt it - the AV production appears to be Procon, who last did Eurovision in Athens, and didn't bother with a blog then.
There are some photos on the internet of this years stage (it's already up and mostly lit), it looks, ummm, like a Eurovision stage... Exactly like one to be exact. Almost like they've taken the last couple of years' sets, and moved the bits round a bit and got out a jigsaw to trim the edges a bit.
There are some photos on the internet of this years stage (it's already up and mostly lit), it looks, ummm, like a Eurovision stage... Exactly like one to be exact. Almost like they've taken the last couple of years' sets, and moved the bits round a bit and got out a jigsaw to trim the edges a bit.
GO
Can you give us a link to these pictures? I think I've only seen a tiny CGI version on one of the fan sites.
Doubt it - the AV production appears to be Procon, who last did Eurovision in Athens, and didn't bother with a blog then.
There are some photos on the internet of this years stage (it's already up and mostly lit), it looks, ummm, like a Eurovision stage... Exactly like one to be exact. Almost like they've taken the last couple of years' sets, and moved the bits round a bit and got out a jigsaw to trim the edges a bit.
There are some photos on the internet of this years stage (it's already up and mostly lit), it looks, ummm, like a Eurovision stage... Exactly like one to be exact. Almost like they've taken the last couple of years' sets, and moved the bits round a bit and got out a jigsaw to trim the edges a bit.
Can you give us a link to these pictures? I think I've only seen a tiny CGI version on one of the fan sites.
PH
http://www.eurosong.hr/images/image.php?image=1389.jpg
Apparently this is the stage - looks quite dull
so I hope the finished product is a bit more striking.
Apparently this is the stage - looks quite dull
so I hope the finished product is a bit more striking.
Last edited by Phen on 16 April 2010 9:43pm