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Eurovision 2006

(April 2006)

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HC
Hatton Cross
First. Good show. Good direction. Wogan on top form as usual.

Second. Told you on Friday Finland would win. I wonder how many countries next year will enter modern alternative rock bands?

Third. The voting is now offically a shambles, and is threatening to be the main thing that kills the competition. Last night there was only 5 of the 38 voting nations where you couldn't tell where the 10 and 12 points were going to.
I still think there is merit in my no more than 6 points to a neighbour rule, however I think the EBU need to think about the non-final participating countries and their awarding of the marks.

A good idea would be to count all those countries votes who were kicked out of the semi-final en bulk and award the marks in two groups based on country name i.e A-H & I-Z.
Then do the full voting for the 24 finalists as per normal.
That may help.
MS
Mr-Stabby
Ridiculous the voting isn't it? My brother actually got an atlas out and guessed all of the 8,10 and 12 point winners just by looking at the borders of each country lol!

I don't usually find Wogan that funny but last night he was hilarious wasn't he?
JV
James Vertigan Founding member
Wogan....was.... AMAZING!! ...... AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGHHHHHH!!!
AP
Aphrodite007
The thing is, if you watch a lot of Eurovisions, you notice how Terry says exactly the same things each year. I think he's probably said 'It's hardly Riverdance is it?' after every single interval act SINCE Riverdance. He does seem to have a rather limited comedy range!
BR
Brekkie
Bring back the jury! I hated the UK song at first but it is one of the best of the last few years and should have done better!


The scoring was ruined for me last night - doing all 37 countries is ridiculous, but cutting it to just giving the top three from each ruined the best aspect of the show.


There are a few simple ways around it. Have the non-competiting countries points put on the board at the beginning, perhaps just noting who each country gave 12 points too, and then progress in the usual manner.

Really though the non-competiting countries shouldn't vote - but what I'd suggest is too merge the votes of none competing countries into one vote and then award the points. This way they get a say - but can't have a huge impact on the overall outcome!
:-(
A former member
Brekkie Boy posted:
Bring back the jury! I hated the UK song at first but it is one of the best of the last few years and should have done better!


The scoring was ruined for me last night - doing all 37 countries is ridiculous, but cutting it to just giving the top three from each ruined the best aspect of the show.


There are a few simple ways around it. Have the non-competiting countries points put on the board at the beginning, perhaps just noting who each country gave 12 points too, and then progress in the usual manner.

Really though the non-competiting countries shouldn't vote - but what I'd suggest is too merge the votes of none competing countries into one vote and then award the points. This way they get a say - but can't have a huge impact on the overall outcome!


Or, you could give each non-participating country half-votes, get them out of the way at the start as you say, with each country coming on briefly to deliver their votes. Then go on to the participant countries in full.
MA
marksi
I enjoy Eurovision and as usual had a few friends round last night for a few drinks and nibbles while watching.

That said I suspect that the voting fiasco makes the whole thing pointless, and while it pains me to say it, the whole thing quite probably needs scrapped unless a solution is found.

Would running the songs with no indication of the performer's originating country help?
GM
nodnirG kraM
Watched it with the little lady and her sister. Was "let's laugh at foreigners" night rather than eurovision. Made it somewhat more bearable.

I liked Malta yet they only got un point!! Think the costumes won it for Finland personally, and the less said about We Are Ze Vinners Of Euorvishon the better.

Good ol Ireland though giving us 8 points! Would've been nice if the UK's representitives weren't quite so ... common!!
AP
Aphrodite007
In Eurovision circles, this is being regarded as the best Eurovision of the 21st century! I'd agree as well.
PE
Pete Founding member
nodnirG kraM posted:
We Are Ze Vinners Of Euorvishon


they got a lot of points on our scorecards, purely for the fat man who stood still for so long before bursting into a horrendous dance routine.
PH
Phen
Brekkie Boy posted:
Really though the non-competiting countries shouldn't vote - but what I'd suggest is too merge the votes of none competing countries into one vote and then award the points. This way they get a say - but can't have a huge impact on the overall outcome!


That's the best idea short of bringing back the jury. And that idea adds another incentive to getting out of the semi-final ie: being able to vote in full.

However there's nothing to stop all the finalists from voting for their neighbours. A 50:50 mix of televote and jury is the only way to go.
TE
Telefis
Agreed – although, if reducing the influence of televoters are you acknowledging the fact that their vote is flawed? In which case why include it at all? Either it is flawed or it isn’t. Is a 50% input from televoters a 50% flawed vote?


So, in reviewing the show, first and foremost it has to be said that the two presenters Maria Menounos and Sakis Rouvas are officially the worst hosts of Eurovision in at least the past 14-15 years – truly appalling, especially Rouvas.

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He just stood there like a gombeen, with absolutely nothing to say either during the voting or for his links during the show. And as a pair they uttered nothing but infantile remarks about how AMAZING, how MAGNIFICENT everything was, and could do little more during voting other than complement the various link presenters about their appearance. No other presenters have been so incompetent – Rouvas in particular didn’t seem to have a grasp of English at all, whilst neither of them had decent French. Wholly incompetent presenters.

I’m very surprised the UK came so low down the list in the end – you deserved way more than the pittance you got for what was a very catchy and well performed piece. Most certainly the impact of political voting.
Ireland did very respectably (and we automatically qualify for next year!), and was glad to see Brian’s vocals weren’t drowned out as they were during the semi.

As for the skycam, agreed the quality from it was very poor, also rather shaky. Overall the camera operations were very stodgy – anyone who was watching Germany’s performance (with the cactuses etc on stage) will have seen the appalling cuts between static peds for the first 30 secs or so – extraordinarily bad. Also the jib-arms weren’t used to their maximum advantage, and their operation wasn’t great either – the tilt of the camera head wasn’t responsive enough a lot of the time, almost cutting off part of the subject on stage as it struggled to keep up with the arm movement.

The use of three peds on the floor as the principal cameras for such a tall stage was bizarre to say the least – very up-the-nostrils as noggin said. Who the heck came up with that idea?! Obviously the stage was so tall to accommodate all of those elevating platforms built into the stage, but the camera operations ought to have been adjusted accordingly. All the same, those ped cameras looked very impressive: brand spanking new with fantastic lenses and hoods – must have been a joy to use Smile
The poor ped shots really came to the fore in Ireland’s performance I think – they were relied on far too much, generating a tight claustrophobic feeling with no movement and not nearly enough jib arms showing wides and generating rhythm. Very poor.

To respond about the railcams etc noggin, I think they’re fantastically effective, especially as you say the cutting from the wide railcam to a tight railcam. However what I think the problem with the whole SVT look is that it isn’t always appropriate for every song, and yet they feel obliged to use it for every performance or else they feel they’re putting the countries without at a disadvantage, even if a different camera style would work equally well. That’s the problem I think. But yes the lack of rails for the likes of the country with the four red swivel chairs was very notable – terrible static peds scattered throughout the performance, even on wides.

The picture quality was second-to-none though. Even previous years when not HD the picture simply blows you away – amazing production values. That’s what I love about Eurovision – it’s a showcase for European television broadcasting production values. Even all of the voting link presentations have improved enormously over the past five years. Interesting to see it’s only really Poland that’s left with it’s stodgy newsreader-like presenter. He’s been cropping up for as long as I can remember Very Happy.

Only one really annoying thing about the voting presentation – the way a full screen cut is not made to the link countries anymore. This was stopped about 3/5 years ago, possibly when the main Eurovision logo/ident was introduced, so now all we see is the link presenter in a small box. We don’t get to see the presenter properly, their background, nor their broadcaster logos, but especially the backgrounds Sad. I thought Eurovision was partly a celebration of Europe, yet we can’t even see the various capitals anymore! Moscow as always looks the finest – truly magnificent backdrop. It’s the same beautiful riverscape every year, punctured with fairytale spires ghostily illuminated in white light. By far the best.

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